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From: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Tom Zanussi <tom.zanussi@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-rt-users <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-trace-users <linux-trace-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	acme <acme@kernel.org>, Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, bristot <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/18] [ANNOUNCE] Dynamically created function based events
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 00:14:28 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180206001428.baf7f16d4a836a17488d7248@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwtCP3Nf86jwNFzdRy_m0GZWH5U2KBDutPDh1ZVATHLYg@mail.gmail.com>

(Note that I also agree with Linus's opinion that this is
 like a debugger, since I already did it in perf-probe :))

On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 11:39:39 -0800
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> (Obviously it's not entirely black-and-white, but I do think there is
> a pretty big difference between the two groups. And the first group
> will obviously use the explicit trace points _too_, generally to
> narrow down where they want to go with the function-based one).
> 
> We'll see. Maybe I'm entirely wrong. But I'm hoping that the
> function-based one will end up being helpful.

BTW, if the function-based tracing is helpful for both of them,
they can start using it back in 2010 because kprobe-based tracer
already supported it.

It was less announced, I must admit that I was lazy at that point.
Also, since I moved usability effort on perf-probe, kprobe-based
event syntax is not so funcy.

"SyS_openat(int dfd, string path, x32 flags, x16 mode)"

is equal to

"p SyS_openat dfd=%di:x64 path=%si:string flags=%dx:x32 mode=%cx:x16"

in kprobe probe definition syntax, but with perf-probe and CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO,

perf probe -a 'sys_openat $params'

will setup the event correctly.

So, we need to clarify what will attract more "2nd group" people to
function based events. E.g. the events for EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL() symbols
already defined and easily on/off.

Thank you,

-- 
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-05 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-02 23:04 [PATCH 00/18] [ANNOUNCE] Dynamically created function based events Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:04 ` [PATCH 01/18] tracing: Add " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-05  8:24   ` Jiri Olsa
2018-02-05 15:00     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-07  3:09       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-07 12:06         ` Jiri Olsa
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 02/18] tracing: Add documentation for " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 03/18] tracing: Add simple arguments to " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-08 10:18   ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-08 15:37     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 04/18] tracing/x86: Add arch_get_func_args() function Steven Rostedt
2018-02-05 16:33   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-02-05 17:06     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-08  5:28   ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-08 15:29     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 05/18] tracing: Add hex print for dynamic ftrace based events Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 06/18] tracing: Add indirect offset to args of " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 07/18] tracing: Add dereferencing multiple fields per arg Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 08/18] tracing: Add "unsigned" to function based events Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 09/18] tracing: Add indexing of arguments for " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-08 10:59   ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-08 15:43     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-08 23:56       ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-09  0:19         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 10/18] tracing: Make func_type enums for easier comparing of arg types Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 11/18] tracing: Add symbol type to function based events Steven Rostedt
2018-02-08 11:03   ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-08 15:48     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 12/18] tracing: Add accessing direct address from " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-09  0:34   ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-09  1:10     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-09 22:07     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-12  2:06       ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-12 15:47         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-02-12 16:47           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 13/18] tracing: Add array type to " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-03 13:56   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-02-03 15:29     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-04  3:50       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-02-09  1:17   ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-09  1:54     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 14/18] tracing: Have char arrays be strings for " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 15/18] tracing: Add string type for dynamic strings in " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-09  3:15   ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-09  3:31     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 16/18] tracing: Add NULL to skip args for " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 17/18] tracing: Add indirect to indirect access " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-09  5:13   ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-09 15:47     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-09 17:18       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-12  2:15       ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-12 17:23         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-13  9:27           ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-13 15:28             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-02 23:05 ` [PATCH 18/18] tracing/perf: Allow perf to use " Steven Rostedt
2018-02-03 13:38 ` [PATCH 00/18] [ANNOUNCE] Dynamically created " Masami Hiramatsu
2018-02-03 15:27   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-04  3:57     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-02-03 17:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-02-03 19:02   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-03 20:52     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-03 21:08       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-03 21:30         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-04  2:37           ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-04 15:50         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-02-03 21:17       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-03 21:38         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-04  2:25         ` Namhyung Kim
2018-02-05 15:02           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-05 13:53         ` Juri Lelli
2018-02-05 15:07           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-03 21:43   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-04 15:30     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-02-04 15:47       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-04 19:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-05 10:09         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-05 15:10           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-05 15:14         ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2018-02-03 18:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-02-05 10:23 ` Juri Lelli
2018-02-05 10:49   ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2018-02-05 15:11     ` Steven Rostedt

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