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From: luca abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>
To: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@gmail.com>
Cc: Tim Blechmann <tim@klingt.org>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <daniel@bristot.me>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Tommaso Cucinotta <tommaso.cucinotta@santannapisa.it>
Subject: Re: SCHED_DEADLINE as user
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:58:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180823145817.53361e32@luca64> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180823123739.GC31443@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:37:39 +0200
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23/08/18 12:43, luca abeni wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:23:50 +0200
> > Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > But then what is a sane inheritance mechanism?  
> > 
> > In my understanding (please correct me if I am wrong), this is an
> > orthogonal issue: if I understand well, the issue preventing
> > non-root usage of SCHED_DEADLINE is that a task inheriting a dl
> > entity is not throttled (when the current runtime rrives to 0, the
> > deadline is postponed, but the task stays schedulable). So, I think
> > that removing this behaviour should allow to use SCHED_DEADLINE
> > without starving other tasks...  
> 
> Right, potential starvation would be gone...
> 
> > Then, there is the issue about the deadline and runtime to inherit.
> > And I agree that this is important (and the solution is not easy),
> > but you have this issue even if you use the current "dl_boosted"
> > behaviour... No?  
> 
> ... but, while it's true that current inheritance has problems w/ o
> w/o boosting behaviour, I wonder if the problem might be more painful
> for a normal user that it's still under runtime enforcement.

I think that the only way to have an answer to this doubt is to try :)


> Disabling
> enforcement seems to hide a bit the fact that we need proper
> inheritance. :-(

My impression is that it hides the problem in some situations, but
the Murphy law ensures that the issue will appear when the quality of
the audio is more important :)


			Luca

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-23 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-15  6:08 SCHED_DEADLINE as user Tim Blechmann
2018-08-15  8:21 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2018-08-17  9:51   ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-17 10:08     ` Tim Blechmann
2018-08-17 10:28       ` Juri Lelli
     [not found]         ` <513fd544-bc51-7ea6-8b94-983d28922a66@klingt.org>
2018-08-20  8:54           ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-20 11:54             ` Tim Blechmann
2018-08-20 12:38               ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2018-08-20 13:55                 ` Tim Blechmann
     [not found]                   ` <e207a65d-b1af-3fb1-8802-d1c05c0a9118@bristot.me>
     [not found]                     ` <05fbd5a4-f354-e084-cf40-8488548d7cb1@klingt.org>
2018-08-21  6:55                       ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2018-08-21  7:38                       ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-22  8:49                         ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-21  7:17               ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2018-08-21  7:59                 ` Tim Blechmann
2018-08-23  9:56             ` luca abeni
2018-08-23 10:23               ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-23 10:43                 ` luca abeni
2018-08-23 12:37                   ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-23 12:58                     ` luca abeni [this message]
2018-08-23 13:00                     ` luca abeni
2018-08-23 13:09                       ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-23 13:30                         ` luca abeni
2018-08-23 13:45                       ` Gene Heskett
2018-08-23 16:01                         ` Chris Friesen
2018-08-23 18:07                           ` Gene Heskett

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