From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
Cc: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
kprateek.nayak@amd.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
"Luis Claudio R. Goncalves" <lgoncalv@redhat.com>,
Andreas Ziegler <ziegler.andreas@siemens.com>,
Felix Moessbauer <felix.moessbauer@siemens.com>,
Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>
Subject: Re: [RT BUG] Stall caused by eventpoll, rwlocks and CFS bandwidth controller
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 15:21:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250409132149.rFrzBCrP@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3f7b7ce1-6dd4-4a4e-9789-4c0cbde057bd@siemens.com>
On 2025-04-09 08:41:44 [+0200], Jan Kiszka wrote:
> We are hunting for quite some time sporadic lock-ups or RT systems,
> first only in the field (sigh), now finally also in the lab. Those have
> a fairly high overlap with what was described here. Our baselines so
> far: 6.1-rt, Debian and vanilla. We are currently preparing experiments
> with latest mainline.
>
> While this thread remained silent afterwards, we have found [1][2][3] as
> apparently related. But this means we are still with this RT bug, even
> in latest 6.15-rc1?
Not sure the commits are related. The problem here is that RW locks are
not really real time friendly. Frederick had a simple fix to it
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210825132754.GA895675@lothringen/
but yeah. The alternative, which I didn't look into, would be to replace
the reader side with RCU so we would just have the writer lock. That
mean we need to RW lock because of performance…
> Jan
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231030145104.4107573-1-vschneid@redhat.com/
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240202080920.3337862-1-vschneid@redhat.com/
> [3] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250220093257.9380-1-kprateek.nayak@amd.com/
>
Sebastian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-09 13:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-12 15:07 [RT BUG] Stall caused by eventpoll, rwlocks and CFS bandwidth controller Valentin Schneider
2025-04-09 6:41 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-04-09 9:29 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-04-09 12:13 ` Aaron Lu
2025-04-09 13:44 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-04-14 14:50 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-04-14 15:05 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-04-14 15:18 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-04-15 5:35 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-04-15 6:23 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-04-15 6:54 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-04-15 8:00 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-04-15 10:23 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-04-14 16:21 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-04-09 13:21 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2025-04-09 13:41 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-04-09 13:52 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-04-09 13:57 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
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