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From: "bigeasy@linutronix.de" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>
Cc: "Preclik, Tobias" <tobias.preclik@siemens.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	"linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Kiszka, Jan" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
Subject: Re: Control of IRQ Affinities from Userspace
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2025 12:50:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251125115008.-R5m5dX9@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <387396748522d2279c3188e5c2b4345bc2211556.camel@siemens.com>

On 2025-11-25 12:32:39 [+0100], Florian Bezdeka wrote:
> > It seems that if you exclude certain CPUs from getting interrupt
> > handling than it should work fine. Then the driver would only balance
> > the interrupts among the CPUs that are left.
> 
> Sebastian, what exactly do you mean by "exclude certain CPUs from
> getting interrupt handling"? I mean, that is what we do by configuring
> the /proc/<irq>/smp_affinity_list interface.

Step #1
- figure out if isolcpus= is restricting the affinity of requested
  interrupts to housekeeping CPUs only

Step #2
- Yes
   => look for the matching knob in cgroup interface
      Knob found?
      - Yes
        => Use knob.
      - No.
        => Add knob.
- No
  This should be added as it breaks the expectation of an isolated
  system.

I *think* the driver should request as many interrupts as there are
available CPUs in the system to handle them. The number of available
CPUs/ CPU mask should be a configure knob by the user. Using the
housekeeping CPUs as a default mask seems reasonable.
The question is what should happen if the mask changes at runtime. Maybe
a device needs to reconfigure, maybe just move the interrupt away.
But this should also affect NOHZ_FULL workloads.

> To sum up: 
> - The IRQ balancing issue is not limited to a single driver / subsystem
> - The managed IRQ infrastructure seems very "static" so insufficient for
>   this problem. In addition we would have to migrate all affected
>   drivers to the managed IRQ infrastructure first.
> 
> We would love to hear further thoughts / ideas / comments about this
> problem. We're highly interested in fixing this issue properly.

If the "managed IRQ infrastructure" would help here then why not. Maybe
Frederic has some insight here.

> Thanks for all the comments so far!
> 
> Florian

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-25 11:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-30 14:20 Control of IRQ Affinities from Userspace Preclik, Tobias
2025-11-03 15:53 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-11-03 17:12   ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-11-05 13:11     ` Preclik, Tobias
2025-11-05 13:18       ` Preclik, Tobias
2025-11-11 14:35         ` bigeasy
2025-11-11 14:34       ` bigeasy
2025-11-21 13:25         ` Preclik, Tobias
2025-11-24  9:59           ` bigeasy
2025-11-25 11:32             ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-11-25 11:50               ` bigeasy [this message]
2025-11-25 14:36                 ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-11-25 16:31                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-26  9:20                     ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-11-26 14:26                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-26 15:07                         ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-11-26 19:15                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-27 14:06                             ` Preclik, Tobias
2025-11-27 14:52                             ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-11-27 18:09                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-28  7:33                                 ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-11-26 15:45                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-11-26 15:31                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-11-26 15:24               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-11-11 13:58     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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