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From: Nivedita Singhvi <niv@us.ibm.com>
To: Jeff Angielski <jeff@theptrgroup.com>
Cc: "Nikita V. Youshchenko" <yoush@cs.msu.su>,
	Robert Schwebel <r.schwebel@pengutronix.de>,
	Raz <raziebe@gmail.com>,
	linux-rt-users <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: preempt rt in commercial use
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:20:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C8FF52E.1030407@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C8F8B79.1010300@theptrgroup.com>

On 09/14/2010 07:49 AM, Jeff Angielski wrote:

>> Isn't any case where preempt-rt does not behave as hard reatlime a bug in
>> preempt-rt, that should be reported to this list and eventually fixed?
>
> That is a philosophical question for the preempt-rt maintainers.
>
> I *believe* that the design goal for the preempt rt code is to minimize
> kernel latency. It's not to make the kernel deterministic to support
> hard realtime.

Er, sort of, not quite.

The design goal of the real-time kernel is most certainly to make the
kernel more deterministic, to the extent we can in a general-purpose way.

Determinism = capping max latencies.

It's better to have all hundred iterations of an operation take
45us each than to have 95 iterations take 30us and 5 iterations
take 75us. You want to be able to say, "this operation will take
at _most_ 50us" and have that be as true as possible.

We sacrifice overall throughput (ave latency) for determinism
(low max latency).

Not sure if that's what you intended to say, but hope that helps.

thanks,
Nivedita



  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-14 22:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-14  8:10 preempt rt in commercial use Raz
2010-09-14  9:04 ` Rolando Martins
2010-09-14  9:10   ` Raz
2010-09-14  9:20     ` Rolando Martins
2010-09-14  9:17 ` Nikita V. Youshchenko
2010-09-14  9:24   ` Raz
2010-09-14  9:44     ` Robert Schwebel
2010-09-14 12:16       ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-14 13:04         ` Daniel James
2010-09-14 13:08         ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-14 22:11           ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-14 13:09         ` Klaas van Gend
2010-09-14 13:17         ` David Kastrup
2010-09-14 13:37           ` Darcy Watkins
2010-09-14 13:58         ` Patrice Kadionik
2010-09-14 14:21       ` Jeff Angielski
2010-09-14 14:30         ` Nikita V. Youshchenko
2010-09-14 14:49           ` Jeff Angielski
2010-09-14 22:20             ` Nivedita Singhvi [this message]
2010-09-15  7:48               ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-15 14:09                 ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-15 14:45                   ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-16 10:17                     ` Daniel James
2010-09-16 10:35                       ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-16 15:19                       ` Raz
2010-09-15 15:38                   ` David Kastrup
2010-09-15 16:02                     ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-15 16:20                       ` David Kastrup
2010-09-16  0:44                         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-16 15:27                           ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-16 17:30                             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-16 19:27                               ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-16 19:38                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-15 13:33             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-14 14:44         ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-15 12:48           ` Sergio Ruocco
2010-09-15 12:53             ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-15 14:58             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-09-15 16:27             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2010-09-16  0:49               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-16  5:06                 ` David Kastrup
2010-09-14 14:56         ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-14 15:42         ` Patrice Kadionik
2010-09-14 17:38         ` Gregory Haskins
2010-09-14 22:09           ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-15  6:22             ` Patrice Kadionik
     [not found]               ` <4C90CF71.2050205@us.ibm.com>
2010-09-15 13:56                 ` Patrice Kadionik
2010-09-15 14:08               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-14 10:06   ` Klaas van Gend
2010-09-14 11:00     ` David Kastrup
2010-09-14  9:28 ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-14 14:13 ` Reagan Thomas
2010-09-15  7:09   ` AW: " Lukas Redlinger
2010-09-15  3:38 ` jordan
2010-09-15  8:59   ` Klaas van Gend
2010-09-15 11:03     ` TinxCore and PREEMPT_RT Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-16  9:38       ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-16 10:18         ` David Kastrup
2010-09-16 11:25           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-09-16 11:51           ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-15 14:03     ` preempt rt in commercial use Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-15 17:29       ` Reagan Thomas
2010-09-16 10:39         ` Daniel James
2010-09-16 20:47           ` jordan
2010-09-16 10:07   ` Daniel James
2010-09-16 20:37     ` jordan

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