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From: Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org>
To: Carsten Emde <C.Emde@osadl.org>
Cc: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Roese <stefan.roese@gmail.com>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: cyclictest better values with system load than without (OMAP3530 target)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:58:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5298C7D0.2080300@xenomai.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5298C292.2030502@xenomai.org>

On 11/29/2013 05:36 PM, Gilles Chanteperdrix wrote:
> On 11/29/2013 04:10 PM, Carsten Emde wrote:
>> BTW: Power saving and real-time do not necessarily exclude each other.
>> If a - still deterministic - but a little longer latency is acceptable,
>> some light sleep states and a somewhat lower clock frequency may be
>> allowed which still may result in considerable energy saving. If,
>> however, the fastest possible real-time response is required, C states
>> and P states must be disabled (or set to polling and maximum speed,
>> repsectively) and the power bill must be payed.
>
> Well, I do not fully agree. To be sure that you can clock down the
> processor for executing a task which has sufficient time to meet its
> deadline, your system must be "time triggered", all the timer events
> must be known in advance. Because on a fully dynamic system, you may
> make that decision, but a new timer may be scheduled which causes the
> system to miss its deadline whereas it would not have missed it if it
> had run at full speed.
>
And a second problem is that you must know the task WCET, which on a 
modern system:
- depends on the task frequency;
- depends on the IRQ load.
Again, only a time triggered system seems to make this possible.

-- 
					    Gilles.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-29 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-26  9:21 cyclictest better values with system load than without (OMAP3530 target) Stefan Roese
2013-11-26 14:21 ` Dmitry Lysenko
2013-11-26 19:14   ` Stefan Roese
2013-11-26 20:14     ` Tim Sander
2013-11-26 16:12 ` Clark Williams
2013-11-29 12:56   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2013-11-29 15:10     ` Carsten Emde
2013-11-29 16:36       ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2013-11-29 16:58         ` Gilles Chanteperdrix [this message]
2013-11-29 17:36           ` Carsten Emde
2013-11-29 19:34             ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2013-11-29 21:10               ` Carsten Emde

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