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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"K. Y. Srinivasan" <kys@microsoft.com>,
	Haiyang Zhang <haiyangz@microsoft.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu@kernel.org>, Dexuan Cui <decui@microsoft.com>,
	Long Li <longli@microsoft.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>,
	RT <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mitchell Levy <levymitchell0@gmail.com>,
	Michael Kelley <mhklinux@outlook.com>,
	Saurabh Singh Sengar <ssengar@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Naman Jain <namjain@linux.microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] drivers: hv: vmbus: Use kthread for vmbus interrupts on PREEMPT_RT
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 12:02:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <79cc4447-3261-4615-bdcd-71276ac22dd7@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260318090817.zuFUjrxd@linutronix.de>

On 18.03.26 10:08, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2026-03-17 12:55:15 [+0100], Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> Point is that a task that was interrupted by a potentially threaded
>> interrupt keeps this flag longer that it needs it. And that is
>> apparently harmless, but fairly confusing.
> 
> correct. My only concern would be a shared handler where the second is
> not threaded.

The vmbus irqs are not shared (beyond what sysvec_hyperv_callback does).

> 
>>>> With that in mind, the new logic here is no different from the one the
>>>> kernel used before. If both are not doing what they should, we likely
>>>> want to add a generic reset of hardirq_threaded to the IRQ exit path(s).
>>>
>>> The difference is that you expect that _everyone_ calling this driver
>>> has everything else threaded. This might not be the case. That is why
>>> this should be in core knowing what is called if threaded, use in driver
>>> after explicit killing that flag afterwards since you don't know what
>>> can follow or add a generic threaded infrastructure here. 
>>
>> This driver is different, unfortunately. I'm not sure if we can / want
>> to thread everything that the platform interrupt does on x86. So far,
>> only the last part of it - vmbus handling - is threaded. On arm64, the
>> irq is exclusive (see vmbus_percpu_isr), thus everything can be and is
>> threaded.
> 
> No, it is a percpu interrupt which are not forced-threaded.

It is threaded now due to my patch.

> 
>>>>> Couldn't the whole logic be integrated into the IRQ code? Then we could
>>>>> have mask/ unmask if supported/ provided and threaded interrupts. Then
>>>>> sysvec_hyperv_reenlightenment() could use a proper threaded interrupt
>>>>> instead apic_eoi() + schedule_delayed_work(). 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, you are thinking x86-only. We need a portable solution.
>>>
>>> well, ARM could use a threaded interrupt, too.
>>
>> For a reason we didn't explore in details, per-CPU interrupts aren't
>> threaded. See older version of this patch
>> (https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/005a01dc9d30$a40515e0$ec0f41a0$@zohomail.com/)
>> where I thought I only had to fix x86, but arm64 was needing care as well.
> 
> Per-CPU are usually timers or other things which are not threaded and
> have their own thing for the "second" port and I only remember MCE using
> a workqueue for notification.

And the hv vmbus now provides a case where threading could be useful, at
least for arm64. For x86, we would have to check if the first half of
sysvec_hyperv_callback (mshv_handler) wants threading as well / would
support that.

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Foundational Technologies
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  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-18 11:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-16 16:24 [PATCH v3] drivers: hv: vmbus: Use kthread for vmbus interrupts on PREEMPT_RT Jan Kiszka
2026-02-17  6:42 ` Michael Kelley
2026-02-17 23:03 ` Bezdeka, Florian
2026-02-18  6:48   ` Jan Kiszka
2026-02-18  7:05 ` Wei Liu
2026-02-18  7:19   ` Saurabh Singh Sengar
2026-03-12 17:07 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-17  7:49   ` Jan Kiszka
2026-03-17 11:01     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-17 11:55       ` Jan Kiszka
2026-03-18  9:08         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 11:02           ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2026-03-17 17:25   ` Michael Kelley
2026-03-18  5:52     ` Jan Kiszka
2026-03-18 10:01     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 11:03       ` Jan Kiszka
2026-03-18 11:21         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 12:12           ` Jan Kiszka
2026-03-19  3:43       ` Michael Kelley
2026-03-19 10:14         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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