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From: "Ville Syrjälä" <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com>
To: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Debian kernel maintainers <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: PREEMPT_RT vs i915
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:50:13 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aG_hNb-c_m0yfVE4@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <da51a963b04f0a1b628e80a2c5df72a1609960d1.camel@gmx.de>

On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 06:52:58AM +0200, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> On Wed, 2025-07-09 at 23:09 +0300, Ville Syrjälä wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 09, 2025 at 09:44:43PM +0200, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > > On 2025-07-09 20:30:26 [+0300], Ville Syrjälä wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > It seems like the critical uncore lock is currently held in a lot of
> > > > > places and potentially for a long time.
> > > > 
> > > > It shouldn't be held for that long. I think it should just be
> > > > a raw spinlock.
> > > 
> > > What about I resubmit the series and we look again? I don't think the
> > > lock should be made raw just to be done with it.
> > 
> > Until someone actually does the work to confirm the thing is working
> > reliably there's no point in posting anything.
> 
> What does that entail?

Basic testing would be something like this:
- enable CONFIG_DRM_I915_DEBUG_VBLANK_EVADE
- set i915.enable_dsb=0 to make sure everything takes the
  mmio path
- stress the heck out of it and make sure the histogram
  doesn't look significantly worse than on !RT
  (kms_atomic_transition --extended might take care of the display
  side here, but it should probably be accompanied with some
  horrendous system loads which is a less well defined part)
- ideally do that on a potato
  (some VLV/CHV (Atom) thing would probably be a good candidate)
- repeat with lockdep enabled to make everything even harder

-- 
Ville Syrjälä
Intel

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-10 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-08 19:35 PREEMPT_RT vs i915 Ben Hutchings
2025-07-09 17:30 ` Ville Syrjälä
2025-07-09 19:44   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-09 20:09     ` Ville Syrjälä
2025-07-09 22:04       ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-10  6:30         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-10 15:21         ` Ville Syrjälä
2025-07-10 18:04           ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-10 18:15             ` Ville Syrjälä
2025-07-10  4:52       ` Mike Galbraith
2025-07-10 15:50         ` Ville Syrjälä [this message]
2025-07-11  2:36           ` Mike Galbraith
2025-07-11  3:33             ` Mike Galbraith
2025-07-11  8:05               ` block: lockdep splat with RT config v6.15+ Mike Galbraith
2025-07-11  8:59                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-11  9:03                   ` Mike Galbraith
2025-07-10  6:41       ` PREEMPT_RT vs i915 Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-10 15:04         ` Ville Syrjälä
2025-07-10 15:20           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-11 12:35             ` Maarten Lankhorst

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