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From: Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Henrik Austad <henrik@austad.us>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	mingo@redhat.com, rostedt@goodmis.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, luca.abeni@santannapisa.it,
	claudio@evidence.eu.com, tommaso.cucinotta@santannapisa.it,
	alessio.balsini@gmail.com, will.deacon@arm.com,
	andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	patrick.bellasi@arm.com, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFD/RFC PATCH 0/8] Towards implementing proxy execution
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:48:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ae2fb170-1414-abea-25e1-7a790dff3eb8@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181010122454.GR5663@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 10/10/18 2:24 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> I believe there were some papers circulated last year that looked at 
>> something similar to this when you had overlapping or completely disjoint 
>> CPUsets I think it would be nice to drag into the discussion. Has this been 
>> considered? (if so, sorry for adding line-noise!)
> Hurm, was that one of Bjorn's papers? Didn't that deal with AC of
> disjoint/overlapping sets?
> 

This paper:
https://people.mpi-sws.org/~bbb/papers/pdf/rtsj14.pdf

But, unless I am wrong, there were findings after this paper that shows
some imprecision on it.

Anyway, it does not analyse the locking properties, only scheduler of
independent tasks - it is a start, but far from what we do here.

(btw this paper is really complex...)

The locking problem for such case: APA with the nesting of different
locks in the locking implementation (we use raw spin lock on this, and
this method could also be used in the rw lock/sem in the future, nesting
rw_lock(mutex_proxy(raw_spinlock())) is an open problem from the
academic point of view.

I explained these things (nested lock and the need of APA for locking)
as "Open Problems" at the RTSOPs (part of the ECRTS) earlier this year:

http://rtsops2018.loria.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/RTSOPS18_proceedings_final.pdf

Bjorn were there, but not only him... Baruah, Davis, Alan Burns were there.

There are some works being done for more complex locking in academy, like:

https://www.cs.unc.edu/~jarretc/papers/ecrts18b_long.pdf

But still, the task model used on these implementations are not the
Linux one.

-- Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-10 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-09  9:24 [RFD/RFC PATCH 0/8] Towards implementing proxy execution Juri Lelli
2018-10-09  9:24 ` [RFD/RFC PATCH 1/8] locking/mutex: Convert mutex::wait_lock to raw_spinlock_t Juri Lelli
2018-10-09  9:24 ` [RFD/RFC PATCH 2/8] locking/mutex: Removes wakeups from under mutex::wait_lock Juri Lelli
2018-10-09  9:24 ` [RFD/RFC PATCH 3/8] locking/mutex: Rework task_struct::blocked_on Juri Lelli
2018-10-10 10:43   ` luca abeni
2018-10-10 11:06     ` Juri Lelli
2018-10-09  9:24 ` [RFD/RFC PATCH 4/8] sched: Split scheduler execution context Juri Lelli
2019-05-06 11:06   ` Claudio Scordino
2018-10-09  9:24 ` [RFD/RFC PATCH 5/8] sched: Add proxy execution Juri Lelli
2018-10-10 11:10   ` luca abeni
2018-10-11 12:34     ` Juri Lelli
2018-10-11 12:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-11 13:42         ` Juri Lelli
2018-10-12  7:22         ` luca abeni
2018-10-12  8:30           ` Juri Lelli
2018-10-09  9:24 ` [RFD/RFC PATCH 6/8] locking/mutex: make mutex::wait_lock irq safe Juri Lelli
2018-10-09  9:24 ` [RFD/RFC PATCH 7/8] sched: Ensure blocked_on is always guarded by blocked_lock Juri Lelli
2018-10-09  9:24 ` [RFD/RFC PATCH 8/8] sched: Fixup task CPUs for potential proxies Juri Lelli
2018-10-09  9:44 ` [RFD/RFC PATCH 0/8] Towards implementing proxy execution Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-09  9:58   ` Juri Lelli
2018-10-09 10:51 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2018-10-09 11:56   ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2018-10-09 12:35     ` Juri Lelli
2018-10-10 10:34 ` luca abeni
2018-10-10 10:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-10 11:16     ` luca abeni
2018-10-10 11:23       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-10 12:27         ` Juri Lelli
2018-10-10 11:56 ` Henrik Austad
2018-10-10 12:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-10 13:48     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira [this message]
2018-10-10 12:36   ` Juri Lelli

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