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From: Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, mhiramat@kernel.org, bristot@redhat.com,
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	mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com, linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Alex Shi <alex.shi@linaro.org>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Vincenzo Frascino <Vincenzo.Frascino@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] notifier: Make atomic_notifiers use raw_spinlock
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 14:52:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jhjr1okunvc.mognet@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201123141416.GO3021@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>


On 23/11/20 14:14, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 08:19:04PM +0000, Valentin Schneider wrote:
[...]
>> Two points worth noting:
>>
>> 1) That this is conceptually the same issue as pointed out in:
>>    313c8c16ee62 ("PM / CPU: replace raw_notifier with atomic_notifier")
>> 2) Only the _robust() variant of atomic_notifier callchains suffer from
>>    this
>>
>> AFAICT only the cpu_pm_notifier_chain really needs to be changed, but
>> singling it out would mean introducing a new (truly) non-blocking API. At
>> the same time, callers that are fine with any blocking within the call
>> chain should use blocking notifiers, so patching up all atomic_notifier's
>> doesn't seem *too* crazy to me.
>
> How long are these notifier chains?,

On said Juno I get:

  gic_notifier()
  arch_timer_cpu_pm_notify()
  fpsimd_cpu_pm_notifier()
  cpu_pm_pmu_notify() x2
  hyp_init_cpu_pm_notifier()

(I would take a guess that there's one PMU cb per cluster due to big.LITTLE
faffery)

> and all this pcs_enter_idle_state()
> is still horribly broken vs RCU, witness the RCU_NONIDLE() there and the
> rcu_irq_enter_irqson() in the pm_notifier code.
>

Hadn't paid attention to that, that's indeed... Interesting.

> That said, we're running these notifiers from the idle path with IRQs
> disabled, so taking that spinlock isn't going to make it worse..

And it's already taken on !PREEMPT_RT.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-23 14:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-22 20:19 [PATCH] notifier: Make atomic_notifiers use raw_spinlock Valentin Schneider
2020-11-23 14:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-23 14:52   ` Valentin Schneider [this message]
2020-11-30 10:09 ` Valentin Schneider
2020-11-30 13:51   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-11-30 13:55 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira

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