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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>
Cc: Linux Kbuild mailing list <linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] Kconfig: add new special property shell= to test compiler options in Kconfig
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:19:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFxpxAGkCTvugOAXp+izb8O1C5YD+ExMQ27uYVU3-97P1A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1518106752-29228-1-git-send-email-yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Masahiro Yamada
<yamada.masahiro@socionext.com> wrote:
> This was prompted by the email from Linus today's morning.

Thanks.

> I implmented this in a rush today, so there are still many TODOs,
> but I put it here to start discussion.
>
> I think it is working, but as you notice, it is tedious to repeat something
> like follows:
>
> config CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR
>         bool
>         option shell="$CC -Werror -fstack-protector -c -x c /dev/null"

Yeah.

I do think we want to have the "shell" thing as a generic escape for
other things too, but *realistically*, the primary target for this is
compiler flags, and I think we should target that specifically with a
shorthand.

Doing some statistics, and looking for

    flag = $(call xyz ...)

patterns in our makefiles (ignoring single uses), it really is
cc-option that dominates:

      2  name-fix
      2  try-run
      3  __cc-option
      3  grep-libs
      3  strip-libs
      4  flags
      4  get-executable
      4  ld-option
      4  logo-cfiles
      5  as-option
      5  cc-cross-prefix
      6  cc-ldoption
      6  cc-supports
      7  cc-option-yn
      7  tune
      9  cc-ifversion
     30  as-instr
     48  cc-disable-warning
    239  cc-option

so I think that's the one that we want to special-case.

If we then have a _usable_ - but perhaps not wonderful "shell" escape
to do any random thing (including scripts etc), that will take care of
the rest, but cc-option is so common that I think it's worth making a
special Kconfig syntax for them. For all I know, the others aren't
even worth Kconfig options at all.

> I was thinking of something like follows:
>
> config CC_STACKPROTECTOR
>           bool
>           option shell="$(CC_OPTION -fstack-protector)"

I think we should go even further, and just make it be

config CC_STACKPROTECTOR
          bool
          option cc_option="-fstack-protector"

and actually have the Kconfig language itself have this special-cased.

And obviously that "option cc_option" would be *implemented* as just
"option shell", with just some stupid string substitution. So it
really would be purely a shorthand for readability.

What do you think?

And btw, the patches look nice. What I like in particular is that they
don't even seem to add a lot of lines: the new shell option code is
almost balanced out by the Kconfig script simplifications. And maybe
it's just that I read C a lot better than I read GNU Makefile magic,
but I think it's more understandable too.

                  Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-08 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-08 16:19 [RFC PATCH 0/7] Kconfig: add new special property shell= to test compiler options in Kconfig Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-08 16:19 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] kbuild: remove kbuild cache Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-08 16:19 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] kconfig: add xrealloc() helper Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-08 16:19 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] kconfig: remove const qualifier from sym_expand_string_value() Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-08 16:19 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] kconfig: support new special property shell= Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-09  5:30   ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-09  9:19     ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-09 12:46       ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-09 20:46         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-10  5:48           ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-10  7:12             ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-10  7:49               ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-10  8:05                 ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-10  8:55                   ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-10  9:21                     ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-10 18:05                     ` Randy Dunlap
2018-02-11  2:00                       ` Kevin Easton
2018-02-10 19:23                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-10 20:08                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-11  4:13                         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-11  4:46                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-11  7:28                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-11 10:34                               ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-11 17:56                                 ` Kees Cook
2018-02-11 18:13                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-11 19:39                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-11 19:53                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-11 20:06                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-11 21:10                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-02-11 21:19                                             ` Kees Cook
2018-02-11 21:50                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-12 10:44                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-02-11 22:29                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-02-15 23:38                                           ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] kconfig: support new special property shell Palmer Dabbelt
2018-02-11 21:11                                         ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] kconfig: support new special property shell= Kees Cook
2018-02-11 19:42                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-12  8:26                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-12 10:27                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-02-12 11:52                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-12 16:19                                       ` David Woodhouse
2018-02-12 16:56                                         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-12 17:05                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-12 17:33                                             ` Kees Cook
2018-02-12 17:36                                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-02-12 17:37                                                 ` Kees Cook
2018-02-12 17:00                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-11 18:34                                   ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-11 21:05                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-11 21:35                                       ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-11 20:29                                   ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-11 20:42                                     ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-12 12:54                                       ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-12 14:21                                         ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-12 14:23                                           ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-12 14:32                                             ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-12 14:29                                           ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-12 14:53                                           ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-12 15:22                                             ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-12 15:35                                               ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-11 21:22                                   ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-12 14:39                                   ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-12 15:24                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-12 23:48                                       ` Randy Dunlap
2018-02-13  1:41                                         ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-13  1:53                                           ` Randy Dunlap
2018-02-13  8:35                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-02-13  8:59                                               ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-12 10:44                                 ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-12 11:44                                   ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-12 11:49                                     ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-12 13:53                                     ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-12 14:13                                       ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-12 15:46                                   ` Kees Cook
2018-02-12 16:10                                     ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-13  8:55                                       ` Ulf Magnusson
2018-02-11 16:54                               ` Kees Cook
2018-02-08 16:19 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] kconfig: invoke silentoldconfig when compiler is updated Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-08 17:19   ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-08 17:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-08 16:19 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] kconfig: add basic environments to evaluate C flags in Kconfig Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-08 16:19 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] Test stackprotector options in Kconfig to kill CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-08 18:30   ` Kees Cook
2018-02-09  4:13     ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-02-08 16:43 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] Kconfig: add new special property shell= to test compiler options in Kconfig Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-02-08 17:19 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2018-02-08 17:39   ` Masahiro Yamada

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