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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl, david-b@pacbell.net, greg@kroah.com,
	hch@infradead.org, SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	mdharm-usb@one-eyed-alien.net,
	Patrick Mansfield <patmans@us.ibm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: USB storage problems on OHCI..
Date: 24 Sep 2003 09:10:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1064412617.2064.1.camel@mulgrave> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0309231117240.1869-100000@ida.rowland.org>

On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:23, Alan Stern wrote: 
> Is there any way to notify the system that you are about to unplug a 
> drive?  It seems to me that the best approach is to flush the cache on an 
> unmount.  People naturally assume that it's safe to unplug a device once 
> it has been unmounted, and they also realize that it's unsafe to unplug a 
> device containing a mounted filesystem.
> 
> That doesn't address the problem of raw device access, but perhaps 
> whatever ioctl is used by blockdev --flushbufs can also flush the cache.

Well, a synchronize can be really expensive (minutes to flush on a large
array), you only really want to do it if absolutely necessary, so tying
it to something separate from normal OS operation seems like the best
thing to do. 

> Is there any harm in sending a SYNCHRONIZE command to a device that
> doesn't need it (write-through cache)?  Maybe doing that is less dangerous 
> than trying to read mode-sense page 8 on these buggy USB devices.  
> (Although I'm not aware of anyone who has tried the experiment.)

Devices that don't support mode page 8 invariably seem to react badly to
the SYNCHRONIZE command (I have a few of these SCSI devices)...Although,
usually they just send an ILLEGAL COMMAND sense.  I wouldn't like to try
the same thing with a USB device... 

James 



  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-24 14:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-23 14:37 [linux-usb-devel] Re: USB storage problems on OHCI Andries.Brouwer
2003-09-23 14:51 ` James Bottomley
2003-09-23 15:23   ` Alan Stern
2003-09-24 14:10     ` James Bottomley [this message]
2003-09-23 15:46 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-22 23:07 Andries.Brouwer
2003-09-22 22:55 Pat LaVarre
2003-09-29 14:54 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-09-22 19:56 Andries.Brouwer
2003-09-22 20:48 ` Alan Stern
2003-09-22 20:51 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-09-23 14:04 ` James Bottomley
2003-09-22 18:55 Andries.Brouwer
2003-09-22 19:28 ` [linux-usb-devel] " James Bottomley
2003-09-22 17:55 James Bottomley
2003-09-22 19:55 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2003-09-23 17:47   ` Ruud Linders
2003-09-23 18:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24 16:40       ` Ruud Linders
2003-09-24 16:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-26 18:43           ` Alan Stern
2003-10-03 14:18             ` Alan Stern
2003-10-03 15:05               ` James Bottomley
2003-10-03 21:35                 ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-09-22 17:29 Linus Torvalds
2003-09-22 17:49 ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2003-09-22 18:40   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-22 17:23 Patrick Mansfield
2003-09-22 17:41 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2003-09-22 16:22 David Brownell
2003-09-22 16:31 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2003-09-22 16:58 ` Martin Diehl
2003-09-22 17:19   ` David Brownell
2003-09-22 15:58 Patrick Mansfield
2003-09-22 16:36 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
     [not found] <20030922004943.E32009@one-eyed-alien.net>
2003-09-22 14:25 ` Alan Stern
2003-09-22 14:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-09-22 15:11     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-09-22 15:49       ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-09-22 16:09         ` [linux-usb-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2003-09-22 16:37         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-09-22 16:44           ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-09-22 17:21             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-09-22 19:01               ` Alan Stern
2003-09-22 15:50       ` Alan Stern
2003-09-22 15:29   ` Linus Torvalds

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