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From: Pat LaVarre <p.lavarre@ieee.org>
To: dmitrik@users.sourceforge.net
Cc: usb-storage@one-eyed-alien.net, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	stern@rowland.harvard.edu, mdharm-scsi@one-eyed-alien.net,
	patmans@us.ibm.com, james.bottomley@steeleye.com,
	ronald@kuetemeier.com, idan@idanso.dyndns.org
Subject: Re: [usb-storage] Re: [PATCH] fix Sony USB mass storage - pass	larger receive buffer
Date: 13 Nov 2003 19:10:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1068775834.2851.321.camel@patrh9> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1068768796.3fb41e1c8d075@webmail.netregistry.net>

> * Define an absolute bare minimum safe subset of SCSI commands and 
> fall back to it whenever you see a non-compliant device like this one.

Did we find a kind of reset that worked with this device?

> Note that Win98 did not support my Sony Handycam Memory Stick out of 
> the box, I had to install drivers from Sony installation CD. 
> Obviously these drivers do not attempt to issue any commands that 
> the device does not understand. XP did detect Sony out of the box but 
> it is very likely that it still loaded proprietary Sony driver based 
> on USB Device/Vendor ID. 

I agree.

I guess this from seeing bInterfaceSubClass = xFF = Formally Reserved
But Informally Vendor Specific SCSI.  That pushes the bInterfaceClass
...SubClass ...Protocol outside of the tuples that Microsoft blesses as
generic usb storage i.e. outside of the set x 08 (02|05|06) 50.

> Also note: the device does not claim any SCSI compliance as indicated 
> by reserved values in its device descriptor and by scsi version being 
> set to 0 in reply to INQUIRY.

Aye.

> IMHO the solution is either or both of:
> * Blacklist it

Can we blacklist mode sense from bInterfaceSubClass = xFF?

That way we don't break as many write-protectable devices as if we
blacklisted mode sense always?

I remember today already I once proposed blacklisting only
bInterfaceSubClass = xFF, Matt said no once, I don't think I yet grok
Matt's no.

Can we blacklist only xFF if I wrote the patch myself?

I've shipped generic devices that I think comply: that gives me a
personal interest in having their write-protect work, no matter if
connected via USB.

Pat LaVarre

P.S.

> Also note: the device does not claim any SCSI compliance...
> miracle it worked at all.

Aye.  Myself, I'd like to get an academic grant to study why computers
work.  As far as I can tell, they shouldn't.  Fundamentally chaotic
design.  Try flipping a bit in an instruction stream, and watch what
happens.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-14  2:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-12 23:50 [PATCH] fix Sony USB mass storage - pass larger receive buffer Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-13  0:09 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-13  0:13   ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-13  0:44     ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-13  1:56       ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-13 14:54         ` [usb-storage] " Alan Stern
2003-11-13 16:21           ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-13 17:09             ` Alan Stern
2003-11-13 17:24               ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-13 18:04                 ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-13 18:15                   ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-13 18:22                     ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-13 18:26                       ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-13 18:37                         ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-13 19:13                           ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-13 19:30                             ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-13 22:03                               ` Alan Stern
2003-11-13 23:40                                 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-13 23:51                                   ` Dmitri Katchalov
2003-11-14  0:16                                     ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  1:04                                   ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-14  1:10                                     ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  1:13                                       ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-13 22:01                 ` Alan Stern
2003-11-13 23:37                   ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  0:24                     ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-14  1:54                       ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  2:08                         ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-14  2:24                           ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-17 21:38                       ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-17 22:00                         ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-17 23:36                           ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  1:03                     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-13 23:44                   ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  0:13                     ` Dmitri Katchalov
2003-11-14  0:55                       ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  1:13                       ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-14  2:02                         ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  2:10                       ` Pat LaVarre [this message]
2003-11-14  2:19                         ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-14  2:38                           ` [usb-storage] mode sense blacklist how Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  2:44                             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-14 17:27                               ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14 17:57                                 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  3:11                             ` Dmitri Katchalov
2003-11-14 19:41                               ` Pat LaVarre
     [not found]                                 ` <20031114153607.A7207@beaverton.ibm.com>
     [not found]                                   ` <20031116121039.A13224@beaverton.ibm.com>
2003-11-17 20:14                                     ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-19 12:55                                 ` Dmitri Katchalov
2003-11-19 16:34                                   ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-19 17:02                                   ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-19 23:34                                     ` Douglas Gilbert
2003-11-20 16:32                                       ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-21  1:17                                         ` SG_IO ioctl (was: mode sense blacklist how) Douglas Gilbert
2003-11-21  3:18                                           ` Willem Riede
2003-11-21 20:51                                           ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-28 17:07                                             ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-28 17:14                                               ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-28 17:31                                               ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-28 17:09                                             ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-21 21:29                                           ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-20 14:06                                     ` [usb-storage] mode sense blacklist how Dmitri Katchalov
2003-11-20 15:57                                       ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  1:06                     ` [usb-storage] Re: [PATCH] fix Sony USB mass storage - pass larger receive buffer Matthew Dharm
2003-11-14 16:14                     ` Alan Stern
2003-11-14 17:29                       ` Matthew Dharm
2003-11-14 17:50                       ` Pat LaVarre
2003-11-14  2:02 ` Douglas Gilbert
2003-11-14 21:45   ` [usb-storage] " Pat LaVarre
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2003-11-14  2:25 Andries.Brouwer

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