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From: Ming Zhang <mingz@ele.uri.edu>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Bryan Henderson <hbryan@us.ibm.com>,
	Tomonori Fujita <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	iet-dev <iscsitarget-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] iSCSI enterprise target software
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:48:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1109702911.2878.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1109702227.6293.137.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 13:37, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 10:24 -0800, Bryan Henderson wrote:
> > One thing that's implicit in your reasons for wanting to be in the kernel 
> > is that you've chosen to exploit the kernel's page cache.  As a user of 
> > the page cache, you have more control from inside the kernel than from 
> > user space.  The page cache was designed to be fundamentally invisible to 
> > user space.
> > 
> > A pure user space implementation of an ISCSI target would use process 
> > virtual memory for a cache and manage it itself.  It would access the 
> > storage with direct I/O. 
> 
> why would it use direct I/O ? Direct I/O would be really stupid for such
> a thing to use since that means there's no caching going on *at all*.
> 
what Bryan suggest is a privately owned and managed user space cache. so
for that disk write should be real write-through.

it is hard to beat linux kernel cache performance though.

> You want to *use* the kernel pagecache as much as you can. You do so by
> using mmap and such, and msync to force content to disk. That uses the
> kernel pagecache to the maximum extend, while not having to bother with
> knowing the intimate details of the implementation thereof, which a
> kernel side implementation would be involved in. (if it wasnt and only
> used highlevel functions, then you might as well do the same in
> userspace after all)
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-01 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-01  7:19 [ANNOUNCE] iSCSI enterprise target software FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-01  8:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01  9:35   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-01  9:46     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01 10:22       ` [Iscsitarget-devel] " FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-01 10:33         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01 10:46           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01 11:23             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-01 10:48           ` Libor Vanek
2005-03-01 10:51             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01 18:24     ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-01 18:37       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01 18:48         ` Ming Zhang [this message]
2005-03-01 19:01           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-01 19:14             ` Ming Zhang
2005-03-01 21:04           ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-01 21:15             ` Ming Zhang
2005-03-02 18:20               ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-02 19:34                 ` Ming Zhang
2005-03-01 21:16             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-02 18:27               ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-02  3:30             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-01 20:38         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-01 20:49           ` Ming Zhang
2005-03-01 22:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-01 20:53         ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-01 20:58           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-02 10:47           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2005-03-02 18:39             ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-02  5:04     ` [Iscsitarget-devel] " FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-02  5:21       ` Dmitry Yusupov

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