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From: Ming Zhang <mingz@ele.uri.edu>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Bryan Henderson <hbryan@us.ibm.com>,
	Tomonori Fujita <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	iet-dev <iscsitarget-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] iSCSI enterprise target software
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:14:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1109704486.2878.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4224BC17.7000103@pobox.com>

On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 14:01, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Ming Zhang wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 13:37, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > 
> >>On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 10:24 -0800, Bryan Henderson wrote:
> >>
> >>>One thing that's implicit in your reasons for wanting to be in the kernel 
> >>>is that you've chosen to exploit the kernel's page cache.  As a user of 
> >>>the page cache, you have more control from inside the kernel than from 
> >>>user space.  The page cache was designed to be fundamentally invisible to 
> >>>user space.
> >>>
> >>>A pure user space implementation of an ISCSI target would use process 
> >>>virtual memory for a cache and manage it itself.  It would access the 
> >>>storage with direct I/O. 
> >>
> >>why would it use direct I/O ? Direct I/O would be really stupid for such
> >>a thing to use since that means there's no caching going on *at all*.
> >>
> > 
> > what Bryan suggest is a privately owned and managed user space cache. so
> > for that disk write should be real write-through.
> > 
> > it is hard to beat linux kernel cache performance though.
> 
> A privately managed user space cache uses Linux kernel cache.
what i mean is private cache algorithms. for example, windows request
are not page size aligned so some bitmap based cache algorithms might be
useful. 

> 
> As does mmap/sendfile...
> 
> 	Jeff
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-01 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-01  7:19 [ANNOUNCE] iSCSI enterprise target software FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-01  8:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01  9:35   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-01  9:46     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01 10:22       ` [Iscsitarget-devel] " FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-01 10:33         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01 10:46           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01 11:23             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-01 10:48           ` Libor Vanek
2005-03-01 10:51             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01 18:24     ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-01 18:37       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-01 18:48         ` Ming Zhang
2005-03-01 19:01           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-01 19:14             ` Ming Zhang [this message]
2005-03-01 21:04           ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-01 21:15             ` Ming Zhang
2005-03-02 18:20               ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-02 19:34                 ` Ming Zhang
2005-03-01 21:16             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-02 18:27               ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-02  3:30             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-01 20:38         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-01 20:49           ` Ming Zhang
2005-03-01 22:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-01 20:53         ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-01 20:58           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-02 10:47           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2005-03-02 18:39             ` Bryan Henderson
2005-03-02  5:04     ` [Iscsitarget-devel] " FUJITA Tomonori
2005-03-02  5:21       ` Dmitry Yusupov

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