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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>
To: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
Cc: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Questions about proc_scsi_write() in scsi_proc.c
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:47:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1193438877.3293.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200710261729.53400.rob@landley.net>

On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 17:29 -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
> On Friday 26 October 2007 4:09:37 pm James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 15:07 -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
> > > I don't understanding this code:
> > >
> > > 1) for echo "scsi add-single-device 0 1 2 3" > /proc/scsi/scsi, is this
> > > only for parallel scsi?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > >  I thought most modern busses (usb, sata, FC, firewire,
> > > etc) dynamically assign these numbers and just use them as a unique
> > > identifier ala kdev_t.  How would this work on one of the other devices?
> >
> > It's most often used to add or remove LUNs.
> 
> Ok, I'm unclear on what a LUN is.  All the devices I have lying around give me 
> a LUN of zero.  I used to think that a LUN was a bit like partition, and 
> mostly used for CD changes.  The structure "scsi_target" seems to aggregate 
> host/channel/target and I thought it referred to a device.
> 
> The earlier email between you, me, and Stefan, and myself said:
> 
> James Bottomley said:
> > Stephan Richter said:
> > > "lun" is a target-wide unique number to address a logical unit on a
> > > target device.  Its format is also a priori defined by the Linux SCSI
> > > low-level API.
> 
> I think I understand that bit
> 
> > > It is possible to transform "Logical Unit Identifiers" 
> > > a.k.a. "Logical Unit Numbers" a.k.a. "LUNs" (which are either 8 bytes
> > > wide or 2 bytes wide) into the format of the lun.  (Logical Unit
> > > Identifier is a property of all logical units of SCSI target devices.)
> 
> This is something totally different, and seems a bit like a MAC address?
> 
> > > The SCSI Architecture Model defines several different subspecies of 8
> > > bytes wide LUNs.  Some of these variants cannot be transformed lossless
> > > into the SCSI core's lun, but it appears that such variants of LUNs are
> > > not used in real hardware.
> >
> > Right, LUN has a specific transport independent meaning defined in SAM-3
> > or SAM-4:
> >
> > http://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/drafts/sam3/sam3r14.pdf
> > http://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/drafts/sam4/sam4r13.pdf
> 
> Unfortunately those two documents are 127 pages and 148 pages, respectively, 
> and I haven't had a chance to make any headway in them yet.
> 
> Every device I have that shows up as SCSI has shown up with a LUN of 0, which 
> is target-wide unique because none of those targets have sub-functions that 
> need to be independently addressed as devices.
> 
> Is there an easy way to distinguish between "target-wide unique lun" and this 
> Logical Unit Number device attribute that's either 8 bytes or 2 bytes wide?  
> (Capitalization?)

They both have a section called " Definitions, symbols, abbreviations,
and conventions"; you'll find LUN (and LU) defined in there.

> > > 2) How do you trigger this?  /proc/scsi/scsi is read only even for root.
> >
> > root can still write to it.
> 
> Wow.  (Is this an idiosyncrasy of /proc, or a capability of root I've been 
> unaware of all this time?)
> 
> > > 3) This bit is repeated in both the add and remove logic:
> > >                 p = buffer + 23;
> > >
> > >                 host = simple_strtoul(p, &p, 0);
> > >                 channel = simple_strtoul(p + 1, &p, 0);
> > >                 id = simple_strtoul(p + 1, &p, 0);
> > >                 lun = simple_strtoul(p + 1, &p, 0);
> > >
> > > So what happens if you echo "scsi add-single-device 0" > /proc/scsi/scsi
> > > (or wherever file would trigger this function) so the read for channel
> > > skips over the null terminator (I'm assuming there is one) and reads who
> > > knows what?  Or what if instead of ending that with one 0, you end it
> > > with enough zeroes to pad right up to PAGE_SIZE, so it reads the next
> > > page?  (I don't even know what the page protections are on that, depends
> > > how
> > > __get_free_page(GFP_KERNEL) works...)
> > >
> > > Confused,
> >
> > It's relying on the user buffer being zero padded, but even if it isn't,
> > there's not much that can go wrong.  It's also a deprecated interface.
> 
> Where do I find out what interfaces are deprecated?  (Is this written down 
> somewhere?  Or do you just mean that the whole of /proc is moving to /sys 
> where possible?)

It's part of the general deprecating proc except for process files
edict.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-26 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-26 20:07 Questions about proc_scsi_write() in scsi_proc.c Rob Landley
2007-10-26 21:09 ` James Bottomley
2007-10-26 22:29   ` Rob Landley
2007-10-26 22:47     ` James Bottomley [this message]
2007-10-27  4:16       ` Rob Landley
2007-10-26 22:58     ` Matthew Wilcox

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