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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Cc: sekharan@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	pjones@redhat.com, michaelc@cs.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] scsi_dh: Add modalias support for SCSI targets
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:26:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1237408011.3350.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac3eb2510903181324s6bc442e0ka3448b53567e1dce@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:24 +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 21:09, James Bottomley
> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 12:12 -0700, Chandra Seetharaman wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 18:47 +0000, James Bottomley wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 18:36 -0700, Chandra Seetharaman wrote:
> >> > > From: Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > This patch allows the use of modaliases on scsi targets to correctly
> >> > > load scsi device handler modules when the devices are found.
> >> > >
> >> > > Signed-off-by: Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
> >> > > Signed-off-by: Chandra Seetharaman <sekharan@us.ibm.com>
> >> >
> >> > I have to say this is a bit icky.
> >> >
> >> > overloading the modalias type like this produces several nasty effects:
> >> >
> >> >      1. You don't actually care about type for any of the scsi_dh
> >> >         handlers, so they all have it as a useless extra field
> >> >      2. TYPE_ANY is a bogus (non SAM) definition ... I suppose it's
> >> >         unlikely ever to clash, but you never know
> >>
> >> >From (1) and (2) are you suggesting _not_ to use the TYPE field for
> >> scsi_dh handlers ?
> >
> > Well, you don't ever set it to anything other than TYPE_ANY, do you? so
> > it's completely superfluous as far as you're concerned.  That's why
> > overloading the SCSI ULD modalias looks rather contrived.
> >
> >> >      3. scsi_dh handlers would now get loaded on *any* system ...
> >> >         regardless of whether it's using multipathing or not ... that's
> >> >         going to cause problems with other multi path solutions, I bet.
> >>
> >> Actually that is the intent. We _do_ want scsi_dh handlers to be loaded
> >> before multipath comes into picture.
> >>
> >> Basically we want the handlers to be available ASAP after the device is
> >> configured. The reason is:
> >>  - These devices are active/passive, SCSI doesn't know about it and
> >>    any I/O sent to SCSI will be sent down to the device, irrespective
> >>    of the active/passive nature of the device in that path. When the
> >>    device (path) is passive, I/O leads to time delay and extraneous
> >>    error message (these are the two main reasons we moved the
> >>    device handler code from dm-multipath layer to SCSI(scsi_dh)).
> >>
> >> With scsi_dh, I/O to the passive path will be short circuited in
> >> prep_fn() and errors are REQ_QUIET'd.
> >>
> >> Currently I suggest users to add these modules to their initrd to make
> >> them available ASAP (as described at
> >> http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/MultipathUsageGuide#head-fb3efbb82fa69ca86b7db26423c235ae6c280caa)
> >>
> >> If we have the support thru modalias, then appropriate modules will be
> >> included in initrd by the installer, thereby making it easier for the
> >> user.
> >
> > Um, is that correct?  the MODALIAS env is lost as soon as it goes
> > through udev.  For initrd to base module selection on the MODALIAS, it
> > will have to reconstruct it after the fact (and so need modifying to use
> > the new modalias).
> 
> A device's modalias is usually also available as an attribute called
> "modalias". The entire device uevent environment is in almost all
> cases also available by reading the "uevent" file of the device at any
> time later.
> 
> Does that help? I might misread your "MODALIAS env is lost" sentence.

Yes .. I'd forgotten that; I was thinking of the environment as it
passes through udev.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-18 20:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-18  1:36 [PATCH 0/3] scsi_dh: Make scsi device handler modules automatically inserted Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 1/3] scsi_dh: Add modalias support for SCSI targets Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 13:44   ` Konrad Rzeszutek
2009-03-18 14:02     ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 14:36       ` Konrad Rzeszutek
2009-03-18 18:30   ` Kay Sievers
2009-03-18 19:18     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-19 18:54       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-20 18:24         ` Peter Jones
2009-03-23 22:13           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-03 22:43             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-07 20:59               ` James Bottomley
2009-04-07 23:41                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-08 15:08                 ` Peter Jones
2009-04-15 21:52                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-16 15:18                     ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-04-07 23:22               ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-04-07 23:50                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-08  5:15                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-04-08 19:13                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 18:47   ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 19:12     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 20:09       ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 20:24         ` Kay Sievers
2009-03-18 20:26           ` James Bottomley [this message]
2009-03-18 20:59         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-20 17:41         ` Peter Jones
2009-03-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 2/3] scsi_dh: Change scsi device handler modules to utilize modalias Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 13:46   ` Konrad Rzeszutek
2009-03-18 15:43     ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18 17:25       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 17:50         ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18 18:18           ` Kay Sievers
2009-03-18 19:44             ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18 18:50           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 19:46             ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 3/3] scsi_dh: Workaround a race condition in module insertion Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 11:31 ` [PATCH 0/3] scsi_dh: Make scsi device handler modules automatically inserted Hannes Reinecke
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-27 18:06 Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-27 18:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] scsi_dh: Add modalias support for SCSI targets Chandra Seetharaman

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