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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Christof Schmitt <christof.schmitt@de.ibm.com>,
	Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Wrong DIF guard tag on ext2 write
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:07:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1275426463.21962.977.camel@mulgrave.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100601180905.GR8980@think>

On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 14:09 -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 04:54:53PM +0000, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 12:47 -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 10:29:30AM -0600, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 09:49:51AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> > > > > > I agree that a block based retry would close all the holes ... it just
> > > > > > doesn't look elegant to me that the fs will already be repeating the I/O
> > > > > > if it changed the page and so will block.
> > > > > 
> > > > > We might not ever repeat the IO.  We might change the page, write it,
> > > > > change it again, truncate the file and toss the page completely.
> > > > 
> > > > Why does it matter that it was never written in that case?
> > > 
> > > It matters is the storage layer is going to wait around for the block to
> > > be written again with a correct crc.
> > 
> > Actually, I wasn't advocating that.  I think block should return a guard
> > mismatch error.  I think somewhere in filesystem writeout is the place
> > to decide whether the error was self induced or systematic.
> 
> In that case the io error goes to the async page writeback bio-endio
> handlers.  We don't have a reference on the inode and no ability to
> reliably restart the IO, but we can set a bit on the address space
> indicating that somewhere, sometime in the past we had an IO error.
> 
> > For self
> > induced errors (as long as we can detect them) I think we can just
> > forget about it ... if the changed page is important, the I/O request
> > gets repeated (modulo the problem of too great a frequency of changes
> > leading to us never successfully writing it) or it gets dropped because
> > the file was truncated or the data deleted for some other reason.
> 
> Sorry, how can we tell the errors that are self induced from the evil
> bit flipping cable induced errors?

We have all the information ... the fs will eventually mark the page
dirty when it finishes the alterations, we just have to find a way to
express that.

If you're thinking of the double fault scenario where the page
spontaneously corrupts *and* the filesystem alters it, then the only way
of detecting that is to freeze the page as it undergoes I/O ... which
involves quite a bit of filesystem surgery, doesn't it?

James

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-01 21:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-31 11:28 Wrong DIF guard tag on ext2 write Christof Schmitt
2010-05-31 11:34 ` Christof Schmitt
2010-05-31 14:20 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-05-31 14:46   ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-01 13:16     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-02 13:37       ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-02 23:20         ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-04  1:34           ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-04  2:32             ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-07 16:20               ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-07 17:22                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-07 17:40                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-08  7:15                     ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-08  8:47                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-08  8:52                         ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-31 14:49   ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-01 13:17     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-05-31 15:01   ` James Bottomley
2010-05-31 15:30     ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-05-31 15:49       ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-31 16:25         ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-01 13:22         ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-01 10:30       ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-01 10:49         ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-01 13:03         ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 13:50           ` Christof Schmitt
     [not found]           ` <20100601135059.GA21008@schmichrtp.mainz.de.ibm.com>
2010-06-01 13:58             ` Chris Mason
2010-06-08  7:18               ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-01 14:26             ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-01 13:27         ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 13:33           ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 13:40             ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 13:49               ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 16:29                 ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                 ` <20100601162929.GC32708@parisc-linux.org>
2010-06-01 16:47                   ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 16:54                     ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 18:09                       ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 18:46                         ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                         ` <20100601184649.GE9453@laptop>
2010-06-01 19:35                           ` Chris Mason
2010-06-02  3:20                             ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                             ` <20100602032030.GF9453@laptop>
2010-06-02 13:17                               ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-02 13:41                                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-03 15:46                                   ` Chris Mason
2010-06-03 16:27                                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-04  1:46                                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-04  3:09                                         ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-04  2:02                                     ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                                     ` <20100604020243.GE19651@dastard>
2010-06-04 15:32                                       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-04  1:30                                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-01 21:07                         ` James Bottomley [this message]
2010-06-01 22:49                           ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 13:50               ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-01 14:28                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-01 14:32                 ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 14:54                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-03 11:20           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-03 12:07             ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-03 12:41               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-03 12:46                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-09 15:58                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-03 13:06                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-03 13:23                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-23 17:59             ` Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-07-23 19:16               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-23 20:51                 ` Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-07-26 12:22                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-26 17:00                     ` Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-07-26 19:26                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-24  1:03                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-01  2:40     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-06-03 16:09 ` [LFS/VM TOPIC] Stable pages while IO (was Wrong DIF guard tag on ext2 write) Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-03 16:30   ` [Lsf10-pc] " J. Bruce Fields
2010-06-03 17:41   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-04 16:23   ` Jan Kara
2010-06-04 16:30     ` [Lsf10-pc] " J. Bruce Fields
2010-06-04 17:11       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-06  9:35     ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-06 23:37       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-07  8:30         ` Boaz Harrosh

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