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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>
To: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>
Cc: Gennadiy Nerubayev <parakie@gmail.com>,
	scst-devel <scst-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Scst-devel] Fwd: Re: linuxcon 2010...
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:38:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1282595927.11194.78.camel@mulgrave.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C72CEC5.4080204@vlnb.net>

On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 23:40 +0400, Vladislav Bolkhovitin wrote:
> James Bottomley, on 08/23/2010 08:59 PM wrote:
> > My basic conclusion was that there's no incredible discriminator between
> > LIO and STGT (although there are reams written on which performs better
> > in which circumsances, is useful for clustering, supports ALUA, etc.
> > each with partisans for the features).
> 
> Here is a comprehensive features comparison I prepared some time ago: 
> http://scst.sourceforge.net/comparison.html. It's a bit outdated at the 
> moment, but I'm going to make it completely up do date in the next few days.

That's not really going to help ... I don't really want another 500 mail
thread of partisan yelling about which is better.  I'm happy to concede
that either could beat the other on a given set of well chosen tests ...
but knowing that is completely useless to me.  I can also guess, given
the antipathy, that neither of you would agree on a definitive set of
comparison tests.

So it comes down to a community test instead: which works better with
the community.  This is important to me because it's an indication of
what might ensue once code goes upstream and thus moves outside the
exclusive province of the project to become a community resource. STGT
is a community too and so far what you seem to have told me is:

      * STGT users should just migrate to scst_local
      * STGT doesn't have enough users to bother with
      * STGT has fundamental design flaws which makes its pass through
        architecture unusable and its ABI flawed.

I'm sure STGT appreciates the frank assessments, but it doesn't seem to
merit too many "plays well with others" points.

James

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-23 20:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-16 16:20 Fwd: Re: [Scst-devel] linuxcon 2010 Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-17 20:30 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-18 17:52   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-18 20:43     ` James Bottomley
2010-08-21 18:51       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-21 20:38         ` James Bottomley
2010-08-22 22:10           ` [Scst-devel] Fwd: " Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-08-23 16:59             ` James Bottomley
2010-08-23 17:44               ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-23 17:58                 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-23 20:11                   ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-23 20:21                     ` James Bottomley
2010-08-23 19:40               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-23 20:38                 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2010-08-24 10:32                   ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-24 13:01                   ` Chris Weiss
2010-08-24 19:53                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-23 19:40             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-08-18 14:58 Chetan Loke
2010-08-18 15:11 ` James Bottomley
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTimJGxn=5kEMH68XVWqFcYG3vpfLjLjZpFGqhG_4@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-18 15:30     ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-18 16:04   ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-18 16:18     ` James Bottomley
2010-08-18 17:50       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-19  1:18         ` jack wang
2010-08-19 21:20           ` Dirk Meister
2010-08-19 22:29             ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-08-21 18:42               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-21 20:25                 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-08-24 18:08                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-21 20:43                 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-22  7:39                   ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-22 20:29                     ` James Bottomley
2010-08-23 13:47                       ` Joe Landman
2010-08-23 15:12                         ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                         ` <AANLkTim-M6dfLvJQnbieFqZCGG33E+-i+u_soCq2p9f1@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-23 16:07                           ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-23 18:03                             ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-24  7:25                               ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-08-24 14:55                                 ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-23 19:41                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-24 14:41                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-24 14:51                     ` Chris Weiss
2010-08-24 14:56                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-08-25 22:20                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-08-25 22:45                         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-24 14:57                     ` James Bottomley
2010-08-24 19:48                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-24 21:23                         ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-08-26 20:11                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-26 21:23                             ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-08-28 17:32                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-28 20:47                                 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-08-30 20:47                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-30 21:46                                     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-02 19:38                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-02 20:25                                         ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-05 20:18                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-05 21:50                                             ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-05 23:13                                               ` Mark Deneen
2010-09-06  0:12                                                 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-06  0:58                                                   ` Mark Deneen
2010-09-06  1:34                                                     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-06  5:04                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-05 23:41                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-05 23:59                                                 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-06  4:56                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-06 10:39                                                   ` James Bottomley
2010-09-06 11:02                                                     ` Bart Van Assche
2010-09-06 11:27                                                       ` James Bottomley
2010-09-06 15:26                                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-06 21:47                                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-06 21:55                                                       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-06 22:14                                                         ` david
2010-09-07  0:44                                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-07  3:45                                                           ` Chetan Loke
2010-09-07  6:15                                                             ` Bart Van Assche
2010-09-07  6:08                                                           ` Bart Van Assche
2010-09-07  6:26                                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-07  6:29                                                             ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-09-07  6:45                                                               ` Bart Van Assche
2010-09-07 13:20                                                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-07 20:14                                                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-07 20:14                                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-06 21:16                                               ` Greg KH
2010-09-06 17:28                                           ` Chetan Loke
2010-09-06 21:52                                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-20 13:46           ` Ruben Laban
2010-08-18 17:51       ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-18 16:19   ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-18 16:28   ` Joe Landman
2010-08-18 17:52     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-18 15:12 ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-18 17:52 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-20 17:40 Ari Lemmke

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