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From: Ewan Milne <emilne@redhat.com>
To: Baruch Even <baruch@ev-en.org>
Cc: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>, michaelc <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] scsi: Allow error handling timeout to be specified
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:01:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1368194460.3319.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC9+an+UBY3Cbxryn3O0KMVMuwdXBpf9EsVJ08tV=5Y0dpkjdA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 16:22 +0300, Baruch Even wrote:
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Ewan Milne <emilne@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 23:11 -0400, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> > > Introduce eh_timeout which can be used for error handling purposes. This
> > > was previously hardcoded to 10 seconds in the SCSI error handling
> > > code. However, for some fast-fail scenarios it is necessary to be able
> > > to tune this as it can take several iterations (bus device, target, bus,
> > > controller) before we give up.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Martin K. Petersen <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for posting this.  It will be very helpful to have this
> > capability, particularly when alternate paths to the device exist.
> >
> > Acked-by: Ewan D. Milne <emilne@redhat.com>
> 
> 
> I would argue that waiting for the eh to timeout before you switch to
> another path is most likely to be wrong. If you did the first pass of
> error recovery (task abort) and that failed the
> path/hba/logical-device is doomed. If you will switch to another path
> it will either work (meaning the path/hba were bad) or not (logical
> device was the culprit).

It is necessary to either know the disposition of a command or
else wait for a defined amount of time before retrying the command on
another path.  Otherwise you run the risk that the command will
eventually complete on the first path.  So yes, we need to do the abort
(and its timeout).

> 
> Actually reducing the timeouts is probably not a good approach since
> it will cause the host to take a more radical approach without waiting
> sufficiently for a potential recovery. In addition the more radical
> error handlings such as host reset will destroy other paths for
> completely unrelated devices/links, from my experience a host reset is
> usually not required and the Linux kernel currently reaches to this
> big hammer too fast.

I believe that Hannes is working on a better error handling algorithm
that e.g. does not cause an emulated bus reset in an FC environment
by resetting all the targets (and affecting I/O to unrelated targets in
the process).

> 
> Not that I have any qualms about the patch itself, I've been down this
> path myself and was proven wrong by real life. Though my experience
> was mostly on the SAS network rather than the FC network.
> 
> Baruch




  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-10 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-10  3:11 [PATCH] scsi: Allow error handling timeout to be specified Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-10  6:23 ` Bart Van Assche
2013-05-10 14:36   ` Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-10 12:43 ` Ewan Milne
2013-05-10 12:55   ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-05-10 13:09   ` Bryn M. Reeves
2013-05-10 13:22   ` Baruch Even
2013-05-10 14:01     ` Ewan Milne [this message]
2013-05-10 14:24       ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-05-10 14:31         ` Bryn M. Reeves
2013-05-10 16:59         ` Ewan Milne
2013-05-13 15:16           ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2013-05-10 17:51       ` Baruch Even
2013-05-10 20:18         ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-05-10 19:27           ` Baruch Even
2013-05-13  5:46             ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-05-13 14:40               ` Jeremy Linton
2013-05-13 15:03                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-05-13 15:58                   ` Jeremy Linton
2013-05-13 16:50                     ` Baruch Even
2013-05-13 20:29                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-13 21:01                       ` Jeremy Linton
2013-05-14 22:21                         ` Martin K. Petersen
     [not found]   ` <CAC9+anJ9Y-SnCOK6EOCavTNJwx=xhAbL_X__MsEsL7DroawaJg@mail.gmail.com>
2013-05-10 14:53     ` Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-10 15:27       ` Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-10 17:55       ` Baruch Even

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