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From: James Bottomley <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Bart Van Assche <Bart.VanAssche@sandisk.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	Johannes Thumshirn <jthumshirn@suse.de>,
	Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Avoid that SCSI device removal through sysfs triggers a deadlock
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:25:58 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1477859158.2777.10.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR02MB168399B25661CFC9D1DA93F381AF0@BLUPR02MB1683.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

On Sun, 2016-10-30 at 19:22 +0000, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> On 10/28/16 19:08, James Bottomley wrote:
> > This is a deadlock caused by an inversion issue in kernfs (suicide
> > vs
> > non-suicide removes); so fixing it in SCSI alone really isn't
> > appropriate.  I count at least five other subsystems all using this
> > mechanism, so they'll all be similarly affected.  It looks to be
> > fairly
> > simply fixable inside kernfs, so please fix it that way.
> 
> Hello James,
> 
> Can you clarify this further? To me this looks like the result of how
> the SCSI core works rather than an issue in the kernfs layer.

I'm at a bit of a loss, the problem looks clear from the original
trace, so I'm not really sure what's not clear to you.

The inversion is between the scan mutex and s_active which is the
rather fanciful name Tejun gave to the hand rolled mutex in
kernfs_node.

The reason for the inversion is that s_active is taken when you open a
sysfs file, including the delete one.  There's a special suidice path
to allow that file to be deleted while something else holds the lock. 
 However, if the delete path also takes any lock, and there's a way to
get into delete not via writing to sysfs (which is pretty much
universally true) then you get an inversion because kernfs_node mutex
is also taken when the file is removed, which is why it's not specific
to scsi.

Since you press the issue, I've got to say I'm not a huge fan of trying
to escape from a lock inversion by making some path asynchronous
because it usually leads to even more problems on down the road.  If
there's some problem with the generic fix, there is a way of fixing
this in SCSI without introducing asynchronicity.

James


  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-30 20:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-26 18:44 [PATCH] Avoid that SCSI device removal through sysfs triggers a deadlock Bart Van Assche
2016-10-27  9:36 ` Sagi Grimberg
2016-10-27 15:39   ` Bart Van Assche
2016-10-27  9:46 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2016-10-27 15:38   ` Bart Van Assche
2016-10-29  0:12     ` Johannes Thumshirn
2016-10-29  2:08 ` James Bottomley
2016-10-30 19:22   ` Bart Van Assche
2016-10-30 20:25     ` James Bottomley [this message]
2016-11-03 22:27   ` Bart Van Assche
2016-11-04 13:47     ` James Bottomley
2016-11-04 18:17       ` Bart Van Assche
2016-11-07 20:51         ` James Bottomley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-11-08  0:32 Bart Van Assche
2016-11-08  7:01 ` Greg KH
2016-11-08 15:34   ` James Bottomley
2016-11-08 15:28 ` James Bottomley
2016-11-08 16:52   ` Bart Van Assche
2016-11-08 18:01     ` James Bottomley
2016-11-08 19:13       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-11-08 23:33         ` Bart Van Assche
2016-11-09  1:22           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-11-08 23:44         ` James Bottomley
2016-11-09  0:57           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-11-09  1:43             ` James Bottomley
2016-11-09  2:10               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-11-11  1:37                 ` James Bottomley
2016-11-11  4:13                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-06-26 22:25 Bart Van Assche

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