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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
To: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Multi-path IO in 2.5/2.6 ?
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:37:40 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200209111937.g8BJbfQ02442@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de> of "Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:17:01 +0200." <20020911191701.GE1212@marowsky-bree.de>

lmb@suse.de said:
>  and if the device mapper could have the notion of "to what topology
> group does this device belong to", or even "distance metric (without
> going into further detail on what this is, as long as it is consistent
> to the physical layer) to the current CPU" (so that the shortest path
> in NUMA could be selected), that would be kinda cool ;-) And doesn't
> seem too intrusive.

I think I see driverfs as the solution here.  Topology is deduced by examining 
certain device and HBA parameters.  As long as these parameters can be exposed 
as nodes in the device directory for driverfs, a user level daemon map the 
topology and connect the paths at the top.  It should even be possible to 
weight the constructed multi-paths.

This solution appeals because the kernel doesn't have to dictate policy, all 
it needs to be told is what information it should be exposing and lets user 
level get on with policy determination (this is a mini version of why we 
shouldn't have network routing policy deduced and implemented by the kernel).

> But one of the issues with the md layer right now for example is the fact that
> an error on a backup path will only be noticed as soon as it actually tries to
> use it, even if the cpqfc (to name the culprit, worst code I've seen in a
> while) notices a link-down event. It isn't communicated anywhere, and how
> should it be?

I've been think about this separately.  FC in particular needs some type of 
event notification API (something like "I've just seen this disk" or "my loop 
just went down").  I'd like to leverage a mid-layer api into hot plug for some 
of this, but I don't have the details worked out.

> If the path was somehow exposed to user-space (as it is with md right now),
> the reprobing could even be done outside the kernel. This seems to make sense,
> because a potential extensive device-specific diagnostic doesn't have to be
> folded into it then.

The probing issue is an interesting one.  At least SCSI has the ability to 
probe with no IO (something like a TEST UNIT READY) and I assume other block 
devices have something similar.  Would it make sense to tie this to a single 
well known ioctl so that you can probe any device that supports it without 
having to send real I/O?

> The other features on my list - prioritizing paths, a useful, consistent user
> interface via driverfs/devfs/procfs  - are more or less policy I guess.

Mike Sullivan (of IBM) is working with Patrick Mochel on this.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-11 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 269+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200209091458.g89Evv806056@localhost.localdomain>
2002-09-09 16:56 ` [RFC] Multi-path IO in 2.5/2.6 ? Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-09 17:34   ` James Bottomley
2002-09-09 18:40     ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-10 13:02       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-10 16:03         ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10 16:27         ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-10  0:08     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10  7:55       ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-10 13:04         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-10 16:20           ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10 13:16       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-10 19:26         ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-11 14:20           ` James Bottomley
2002-09-11 19:17             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-11 19:37               ` James Bottomley [this message]
2002-09-11 19:52                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-11 21:38                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-11 20:30             ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-11 21:17               ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-10 17:21       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-09-10 18:42         ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10 19:00           ` Patrick Mochel
2002-09-10 19:37             ` Patrick Mansfield
     [not found] <dledford@redhat.com>
2002-10-02  0:28 ` PATCH: scsi device queue depth adjustability patch Doug Ledford
2002-10-02  1:16   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-02  1:41     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-02 13:44       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-02 21:41   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-02 22:18     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-02 23:19       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-03 12:46       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-03 16:35         ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-04  1:40         ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-10-03 14:25   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-03 16:41     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-03 17:00       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-16 21:35 ` scsi_scan.c question Doug Ledford
2002-10-16 21:41   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-17  0:18     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-16 21:57   ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-18 15:57     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-18  0:27 ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18  0:36   ` aic7xxx_biosparam J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-18  2:46     ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18  3:20       ` aic7xxx_biosparam J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-18  3:26         ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18  0:43   ` aic7xxx_biosparam Andries Brouwer
2002-11-18  2:47     ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18  0:57   ` aic7xxx_biosparam Alan Cox
2002-11-18  2:34     ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-12-21  1:22 ` scsi_scan changes Doug Ledford
2002-12-21  1:27   ` James Bottomley
2002-11-21 15:16 [PATCH] turn scsi_allocate_device into readable code Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-21 15:36 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-21 15:39   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-21 15:49     ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-21 16:12       ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-21 17:08         ` [PATCH] current scsi-misc-2.5 include files Patrick Mansfield
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-11-16 19:40 [PATCH] removel useless mod use count manipulation Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-17  2:59 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-17 17:31   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-17 18:14     ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-17 12:40 ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-11-17 12:48   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-17 13:38     ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-11-15 20:34 [RFC][PATCH] move dma_mask into struct device J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-16  0:19 ` Mike Anderson
2002-11-16 14:48   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-16 20:33 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-17 15:07   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 22:18 [PATCH] add request prep functions to SCSI J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 23:16 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-06 23:43   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-07 21:45 ` Mike Anderson
2002-11-06  4:24 [PATCH] fix 2.5 scsi queue depth setting Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06  4:35 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 17:15 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 17:47 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 18:24   ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 18:32     ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 18:39       ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 18:50         ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 19:50           ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 20:45     ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-06 21:19       ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 20:50 ` Doug Ledford
     [not found] <patmans@us.ibm.com>
2002-10-15 16:55 ` [RFC PATCH] consolidate SCSI-2 command lun setting Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-15 20:29   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-15 22:00     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-30 16:58 ` [PATCH] 2.5 current bk fix setting scsi queue depths Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-30 17:17   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-30 18:05     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-31  0:44       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-21 19:34 [PATCH] get rid of ->finish method for highlevel drivers Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-21 23:58 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-22 15:48   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-22 18:43     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-22 23:17       ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-22 23:30         ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-23 14:16           ` James Bottomley
2002-10-23 15:13             ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-24  1:36               ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-24 23:20               ` Willem Riede
2002-10-24 23:36                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-25  0:02                   ` Willem Riede
2002-10-22  7:30 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-22 11:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-15 18:55 [patch 2.5] ips queue depths Jeffery, David
2002-10-15 19:30 ` Dave Hansen
2002-10-15 19:47 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 20:04   ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-15 20:52     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 23:30       ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-15 23:56         ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-16  2:32         ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-16 19:04           ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-16 20:15             ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-17  0:39             ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-17 17:01               ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-17 21:13                 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-15 20:10   ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-15 20:24     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 20:38     ` James Bottomley
2002-10-15 22:10       ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-16  1:04         ` James Bottomley
2002-10-15 20:24   ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-15 22:46     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 20:26   ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-15 21:27     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-16  0:43       ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-21  7:28   ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-21 16:16     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-21 16:29       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-10 15:01 [PATCH] scsi host cleanup 3/3 (driver changes) Stephen Cameron
2002-10-10 16:46 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-10 16:59   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-10 20:05     ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-30 21:06 [PATCH] first cut at fixing unable to requeue with no outstanding commands James Bottomley
2002-09-30 23:28 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-01  0:38   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-01 15:01     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-01 15:14       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-01 16:23         ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-01 16:30           ` James Bottomley
2002-10-01 20:18         ` Inhibit auto-attach of scsi disks ? Scott Merritt
2002-10-02  0:46           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-02  1:49             ` Scott Merritt
2002-10-02  1:58               ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-02  2:45                 ` Scott Merritt
2002-10-02 13:40               ` Alan Cox
2002-09-24 11:35 SCSI woes (followup) Russell King
2002-09-24 13:46 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 13:58   ` Russell King
2002-09-24 14:29     ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 18:16       ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-24 18:18     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-24 19:01       ` Russell King
2002-09-24 19:08       ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 19:21         ` Russell King
2002-09-24 19:32       ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-24 20:00         ` Russell King
2002-09-24 22:23           ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-24 23:04             ` Russell King
2002-09-24 22:39         ` Russell King
2002-09-24 23:14           ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 23:26             ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 23:31               ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 23:56                 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 23:33               ` Russell King
2002-09-25  0:47                 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-25  8:45                   ` Russell King
2002-09-25  2:18                 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-25 14:41               ` Russell King
2002-09-24 23:33           ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 23:45             ` Russell King
2002-09-25  0:08           ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-25  8:41             ` Russell King
2002-09-25 17:22               ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-25 12:46             ` Russell King
2002-09-24 17:57   ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-24 18:39     ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 18:49       ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-03 14:35 aic7xxx sets CDR offline, how to reset? James Bottomley
2002-09-03 18:23 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 19:09   ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 20:59     ` Alan Cox
2002-09-03 21:32       ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 21:54         ` Alan Cox
2002-09-03 22:50         ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 23:28           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04  7:40           ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-04 16:24             ` James Bottomley
2002-09-04 17:13               ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-05  9:50               ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-04 16:13           ` James Bottomley
2002-09-04 16:50             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-05  9:39               ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-05 13:35                 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-05 23:56                   ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-06  0:13                     ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-06  0:32                       ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-03 21:13     ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 21:48       ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 22:42         ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 22:52           ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 23:29           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04 21:16           ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-04 10:37         ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-04 10:48           ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-04 11:23           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04 16:25             ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-04 19:34               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-03 21:24     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-03 22:02       ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 23:26         ` Alan Cox
2002-08-26 16:29 [RFC]: 64 bit LUN/Tags, dummy device in host_queue, host_lock <-> LLDD reentrancy Aron Zeh
2002-08-26 16:48 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 17:27   ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-26 19:00     ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 20:57       ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-26 21:10         ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 22:38           ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-26 22:56             ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-08-26 23:10             ` Doug Ledford
2002-08-28 14:38             ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 21:15         ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-12 23:38 [PATCH] 2.5.31 scsi_error.c cleanup Mike Anderson
2002-08-22 14:05 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-22 16:34   ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-22 17:11     ` James Bottomley
2002-08-22 20:10       ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-05 23:53 When must the io_request_lock be held? Jamie Wellnitz
2002-08-06 17:58 ` Mukul Kotwani
2002-08-07 14:48 ` Doug Ledford
2002-08-07 15:26   ` James Bottomley
2002-08-07 16:18     ` Doug Ledford
2002-08-07 16:48       ` James Bottomley
2002-08-07 18:06         ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-07 23:17           ` James Bottomley
2002-08-08 19:28         ` Luben Tuikov
2002-08-07 16:55       ` Patrick Mansfield
     [not found] <200206132126.g5DLQiQ24889@localhost.localdomain>
2002-06-13 21:50 ` Proposed changes to generic blk tag for use in SCSI (1/3) Doug Ledford
2002-06-13 22:09   ` James Bottomley
2002-06-11  2:46 James Bottomley
2002-06-11  5:50 ` Jens Axboe
2002-06-11 14:29   ` James Bottomley
2002-06-11 14:45     ` Jens Axboe
2002-06-11 16:39       ` James Bottomley
2002-06-13 21:01 ` Doug Ledford
2002-06-13 21:26   ` James Bottomley
2002-04-08 15:18 [RFC] Persistent naming of scsi devices sullivan
2002-04-08 15:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-08 15:59   ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 16:34   ` James Bottomley
2002-04-08 18:27     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-04-08 19:17       ` James Bottomley
2002-04-09  0:22         ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-04-09 14:35           ` sullivan
2002-04-09 14:55         ` sullivan
2002-04-08 17:51   ` Oliver Neukum
2002-04-08 18:01     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-08 18:18     ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 18:28       ` James Bottomley
2002-04-08 18:34         ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 19:07           ` James Bottomley
2002-04-08 20:41             ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 18:45   ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-08 20:18 ` Eddie Williams
2002-04-09  0:48 ` Kurt Garloff

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