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From: Matthew Dharm <mdharm-scsi@one-eyed-alien.net>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.name>
Cc: Mike Anderson <andmike@us.ibm.com>,
	David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Linux SCSI list <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.58
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:54:14 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030117105414.E359@one-eyed-alien.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200301171155.36452.oliver@neukum.name>; from oliver@neukum.name on Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 11:55:36AM +0100

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 11:55:36AM +0100, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> That is simply wrong. Reporting somebody having pulled a plug must
> not fail. What are you supposed to do with an error here?
> 
> There must be a way for a LLD to report that reliably.
> If the answer is, take that lock, call that function, error all pending
> requests, release that lock and call that function, it's OK.
> 
> But it must work in all cases.

I absolutely agree.  The device is gone.  I can't do anything about it.
If the SCSI layer decides it can't let go, what am I supposed to do about
it?

In a separate discussion with Mike, he mentioned that you can't
scsi_remove_device() unless there are no pending commands.

How the hell is an LLD supposed to assure that!?!?

The minute I error a command and call scsi_done(), I can get a new one.
Unless I lock out requests with scsi_block_requests(), but that comes with
major warnings about needing to get unblocked.

The way this should work is that the LLD calls scsi_remove_device(), and
that cuts off the flow of commands.  The LLD can promise to error-out any
pending commands in the device command queue.

That is, unless scsi_block_requests() and scsi_unblock_requests() are more
useful than the documentation suggests... block(), error all commands, 
unregister()... that would make some sense.  We could call
scsi_block_request() as soon as we know the unit is gone, and unregister()
as soon as the queue is empty.

Matt

-- 
Matthew Dharm                              Home: mdharm-usb@one-eyed-alien.net 
Maintainer, Linux USB Mass Storage Driver

A:  The most ironic oxymoron wins ...
DP: "Microsoft Works"
A:  Uh, okay, you win.
					-- A.J. & Dust Puppy
User Friendly, 1/18/1998

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-01-17 18:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <10426732153816@kroah.com>
     [not found] ` <10426732212871@kroah.com>
     [not found]   ` <20030116093112.B29001@one-eyed-alien.net>
     [not found]     ` <20030116173539.GA31235@kroah.com>
2003-01-16 19:43       ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: [PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.58 Matthew Dharm
2003-01-16 19:53         ` Greg KH
     [not found]         ` <20030116195306.GA32697@kroah.com>
2003-01-16 20:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-01-16 20:43             ` greg kh
2003-01-16 21:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-01-16 22:51             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-16 20:40           ` David Brownell
2003-01-16 20:48             ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-16 23:43               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17  8:50                 ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-17 10:55                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17 15:06                     ` Alan Stern
2003-01-17 18:54                     ` Matthew Dharm [this message]
2003-01-17 20:25                       ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-17 22:07                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17 20:26                       ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17 20:49                         ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-20 17:36                       ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-20 18:23                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 18:56                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-20 19:10                             ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 19:50                             ` David Brownell
2003-01-21  3:31                           ` Alan
2003-01-21  7:17                             ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 11:57                               ` [linux-usb-devel] " Douglas Gilbert
2003-01-21 13:48                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 18:22                                   ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-21 13:30                             ` James Bottomley
2003-01-20 20:08                         ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 20:48                           ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 21:24                             ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 21:51                               ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 22:26                                 ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 23:00                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21  0:44                                     ` David Brownell
2003-01-21  0:50                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 18:16                                         ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-21 19:00                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 20:02                                             ` [linux-usb-devel] " Luben Tuikov
2003-01-21 21:02                                               ` Alan Stern
2003-01-22 21:50                                                 ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-22 22:46                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 17:46                                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-23 18:19                                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 19:07                                                         ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-23 19:40                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 20:28                                                             ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-23 20:59                                                               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 21:34                                                                 ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-23 22:39                                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 23:23                                                                     ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-23 23:25                                                                     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-24 15:34                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-01-24 16:06                                                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-24 17:58                                                                         ` [linux-usb-devel] " Doug Ledford
2003-01-24 19:00                                                                         ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 22:23                                                                           ` Oliver.Neukum
2003-01-24 19:10                                                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 19:56                                                                         ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2003-01-24 20:11                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 21:09                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 21:55                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2003-01-24 22:03                                                                               ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 23:21                                                                               ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-24 21:48                                                                       ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-24 22:59                                                                         ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-24 23:17                                                                           ` [linux-usb-devel] " Doug Ledford
2003-01-25  0:24                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-25  1:35                                                                             ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-24 23:25                                                                         ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-25  0:05                                                                           ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-25  0:45                                                                             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-25  1:07                                                                               ` Doug Ledford
2003-02-02 18:13                                                                                 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-02 20:06                                                                                   ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-03 17:17                                                                                     ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-16 21:18                                                                                       ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-17 19:37                                                                                         ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-17 19:51                                                                                           ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-02-23  7:48                                                                                           ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-26 23:37                                                                                             ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-27  1:10                                                                                               ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-27  6:37                                                                                                 ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-27 19:32                                                                                                   ` Matthew Dharm
2003-03-01  1:41                                                                                                     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-02  3:49                                                                             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-25  1:24                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24  0:15                                                               ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-01-24  8:33                                                               ` David Brownell
2003-01-23 20:41                                                         ` A different look at block device hotswap in the Linux kernel Steven Dake
2003-01-23 21:07                                                           ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-23 21:06                                                             ` Steven Dake
2003-01-23 21:16                                                               ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-24  0:07                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-24  0:21                                                             ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-24  7:53                                                               ` David Brownell
2003-01-24 15:26                                                                 ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-24  0:54                                                             ` Steven Dake
2003-01-24  2:35                                                               ` [linux-usb-devel] " Matthew Dharm
2003-01-22 21:30                                           ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: [PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.58 David Brownell
2003-01-20 22:16                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-20 22:51                             ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 23:27                               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-22 12:07 Bennie J. Venter

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