From: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl, stelian@popies.net,
James.Bottomley@steeleye.com, afafc@rnl.ist.utl.pt,
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
USB development list <linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
pwkpete@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [example PATCH - not for applying] exclude certain commands
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:24:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200304261024.37470.oliver@neukum.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0304252046570.5053-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
> Do you mean it makes user space drivers inferior to kernel drivers? I
> don't see how. The LLDD would treat them both the same, doing a minimum
> of modifications.
You got to make up your mind :-)
So the LLDD should filter in both cases?
> If you mean that it would make user space drivers inferior to the way they
> work now, then I agree. At least, they might be inferior in terms of
> performance, since they would no longer have commands altered
> automatically for their benefit. On the other hand, they would be
> superior in terms of receiving a more transparent channel directly to the
> device. For some people this is very important.
For the larger part it's vastly important that exactly that doesn't happen.
Eg. I want the user to have access to a device, but I don't want him to
be able to crash the device. It's a multiuser system and others might
want to use the device afterwards.
We usually require root level to get a transparent channel to hardware.
If filtering is marginal you need to use yet another demon to be checked for
buffer overflows, etc. ... .
> I think it won't really be a problem. A user-space driver _ought_ to be
> prepared to cope with the quirks and special requirements of a particular
> device.
But can you depend on it? From an administration viewpoint you create a
hole for a DoS attack.
Regards
Oliver
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-04-26 8:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-04-25 0:43 [example PATCH - not for applying] exclude certain commands Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-25 2:12 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-25 4:34 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Matthew Dharm
2003-04-25 8:11 ` Mike Bursell
2003-04-25 14:32 ` Alan Stern
2003-04-25 15:12 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-04-26 0:58 ` Alan Stern
2003-04-26 8:24 ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2003-04-26 15:22 ` Alan Stern
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-27 2:29 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-27 4:32 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-26 21:44 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-26 22:13 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-26 22:43 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-27 1:34 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-27 2:15 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-27 9:35 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-27 15:41 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-27 18:52 ` Kai Makisara
2003-04-27 19:52 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-28 19:05 ` Luben Tuikov
2003-04-28 19:12 ` Luben Tuikov
2003-04-28 20:19 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-28 21:33 ` Luben Tuikov
2003-04-26 22:29 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-27 0:24 ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-04-27 1:39 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-24 18:59 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-24 19:14 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-24 20:20 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-24 20:59 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-24 21:43 ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-04-24 15:21 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-24 15:56 ` Pete
2003-04-24 21:33 ` Stelian Pop
2003-04-24 9:46 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-24 9:56 ` Stelian Pop
2003-04-24 14:05 ` Alan Stern
2003-04-24 14:26 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-24 14:46 ` Alan Stern
2003-04-24 15:26 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-24 9:08 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-24 18:22 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-23 22:39 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-24 0:10 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-24 8:05 ` André Cruz
2003-04-24 9:15 ` Stelian Pop
2003-04-24 9:22 ` Stelian Pop
2003-04-24 11:45 ` Mike Bursell
2003-04-24 12:44 ` James Bottomley
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