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From: Matthew Dharm <mdharm-scsi@one-eyed-alien.net>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>
Cc: Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl, greg@kroah.com,
	SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [example PATCH - not for applying] exclude certain commands
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 02:35:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030427023517.A15212@one-eyed-alien.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1051409717.4089.146.camel@mulgrave>; from James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com on Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 09:15:07PM -0500

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On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 09:15:07PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 20:34, Matthew Dharm wrote:
> > To parse correctly, I would need to remember what type of device it is by
> > snooping the INQUIRY data.  I would also have to keep around data such as
> > block size (for TYPE_DISK).  I haven't even looked at what extra data I
> > would need to keep around for all the other types.
> 
> OK, I don't understand this.  To extract the transfer length from a
> given SCSI command (excluding vendor specific ones) is a well defined
> process.  All you need is the command, it doesn't require knowing device
> type or anything else.

Okay.  A READ_10 command for 4 blocks.  How many bytes is that?  The
command bytes in question look something like this:
	0x28 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x4 0x0

I don't see a way to know the byte count without having additional
knowledge about the device.  Maybe I'm wrong -- I certainly don't claim to
be a SCSI expert.  So explain it to me.

> > Why should usb-storage do that when someone else (the command source)
> > already knows this data?  Whatever is sending the command already knows how
> > much data to expect -- my reparsing the command to try to figure it out is
> > guaranteed to be less precise than just using the correct answer from the
> > source of the command.
> 
> Because we're exploring options for this "lengthen the transfer size"
> behaviour the USB layer exhibits.  Assuming you can transfer more bytes
> than the indicated buffer size is a recipe for data corruption problems
> down the line.

My point in asking the question was to emphasize that I do not believe the
transfer length to be calculable (only guessable) -- why guess when some
bit of code has to know?

The problem if transferring more data than the buffer has room for is an
obvious problem -- that I don't debate.

> > Also, user-issued commands can specify buffer size and transfer length
> > separately, but only one value gets given to the usb-storage driver.  The
> > other is dropped on the floor somewhere in the mid-layer.
> 
> I usually use the SCSI_IOCTL_SEND_COMMAND, which only allows the
> specification of a buffer size (rather than both length and buffer
> size), how do you send SCSI commands?

Okay, I'm wrong here.  I would have sworn that the SG3 interface allowed me
to specify the two values separately -- I have quite a bit of code that
uses that interface.

Interestinly enough, the one value it specifies it defines as the length of
the transfer, not the size of the buffer -- at least, according to the sg
HOWTO.

Matt

-- 
Matthew Dharm                              Home: mdharm-usb@one-eyed-alien.net 
Maintainer, Linux USB Mass Storage Driver

Hey, has anyone seen the Microsoft sales guy? It's his feeding time...
					-- Mike
User Friendly, 4/17/1998

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-27  9:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-26 21:44 [example PATCH - not for applying] exclude certain commands Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-26 22:13 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-26 22:43   ` James Bottomley
2003-04-27  1:34     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-27  2:15       ` James Bottomley
2003-04-27  9:35         ` Matthew Dharm [this message]
2003-04-27 15:41           ` James Bottomley
2003-04-27 18:52             ` Kai Makisara
2003-04-27 19:52             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-28 19:05               ` Luben Tuikov
2003-04-28 19:12                 ` Luben Tuikov
2003-04-28 20:19                 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-28 21:33                   ` Luben Tuikov
2003-04-26 22:29 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-27  0:24   ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-04-27  1:39   ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-27 14:04     ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-27  2:29 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-27  4:32 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-25  0:43 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-25  2:12 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-25 14:32 ` Alan Stern
2003-04-25 15:12   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-04-26  0:58     ` Alan Stern
2003-04-26  8:24       ` Oliver Neukum
2003-04-26 15:22         ` Alan Stern
2003-04-24 18:59 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-24 19:14 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-24 20:20   ` James Bottomley
2003-04-24 20:59     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-24 21:43       ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-04-24 15:21 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-24 15:56 ` Pete
2003-04-24 21:33 ` Stelian Pop
2003-04-24  9:46 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-24  9:56 ` Stelian Pop
2003-04-24 14:05 ` Alan Stern
2003-04-24 14:26   ` James Bottomley
2003-04-24 14:46     ` Alan Stern
2003-04-24 15:26       ` James Bottomley
2003-04-24  9:08 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-24 18:22 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-23 22:39 Andries.Brouwer
2003-04-24  0:10 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-04-24  8:05 ` André Cruz
2003-04-24  9:15 ` Stelian Pop
2003-04-24  9:22   ` Stelian Pop
2003-04-24 11:45 ` Mike Bursell
2003-04-24 12:44 ` James Bottomley

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