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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
	Nathan Bryant <nbryant@optonline.net>,
	Linux SCSI Reflector <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] SCSI midlayer power management
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:45:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040812074520.GE29466@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1092267400.2136.24.camel@gaston>

Hi!

> > Actually, the answer is to most intents and purposes "yes".  You are
> > technically correct: there's no way to disable DMA in SCSI.  However,
> > once a device is quiesced, it has no outstanding commands, so there will
> > be no outstanding DMA to that device.  When all devices on a host have
> > been quiesced, then there will be no DMA at all going on *except* if the
> > user initiates any via another interface (like sending a device probe or
> > doing a unit scan).  The guarantee should be strong enough for swsusp to
> > proceed, but we can look at quiescing a host properly (however, we'd
> > need to move to a better host state model than we currently possess).
> 
> Some hosts will continuously DMA to memory iirc.. I remember having a
> problem with 53c8xx on some macs when transitionning from MacOS to Linux
> because of that.
> 
> We need to properly quisce the host, but that's a per host driver thing
> and shouldn't be too difficult.
> 
> Regarding suspend-to-disk, it's fairly easy for the sd driver not to
> spin down the disk for S4 (only for S3). However, we will still probably
> do at least a bus reset when waking up...
> 
> Pavel: That's one of the reason I wanted an argument to resume() too so
> drivers can make a difference between the immediate wakeup that happens
> for writing the image to disk, vs. the real wakeup on resume. In the first
> case, SCSI can avoid the bus reset, and any kind of re-configuring, in the 
> second case, the full stuff might be necessary. 

Hmm, and it can not be handled by "just remember why you were
suspended", because it is one suspend, two resumes...

Yes, I agree that argument will be usefull. Just who does all the
driver updating? ;-).
								Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-12  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-10 23:58 [PATCH] SCSI midlayer power management Nathan Bryant
2004-08-11  8:09 ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-11 13:13   ` Nathan Bryant
2004-08-11 13:37     ` James Bottomley
2004-08-11 15:21       ` Alan Cox
2004-08-11 16:28         ` James Bottomley
2004-08-11 16:43           ` Nathan Bryant
2004-08-11 23:36       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-12  7:45         ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-08-12 10:38           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-12 12:48         ` James Bottomley
2004-08-12 13:14           ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-12 16:29             ` James Bottomley
2004-08-12 19:11               ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-12 19:34                 ` James Bottomley
2004-08-12 20:26                   ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-12 20:31                     ` James Bottomley
2004-08-12 20:37                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-12 20:42                         ` James Bottomley
2004-08-12 20:48                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-12 20:52                           ` Nathan Bryant
2004-08-12 20:40                       ` Nathan Bryant
2004-08-12 23:05                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-12 22:36                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-08-12 22:43                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-08-12 23:04                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-12 13:41           ` Nathan Bryant
2004-08-12 16:45             ` Patrick Mansfield
2004-08-12 23:02           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-11 20:19     ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-11 20:50       ` Nathan Bryant
2004-08-11 22:16     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-08-11 22:48       ` Nathan Bryant
2004-08-12  7:43         ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-12  9:39         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-08-12 13:43           ` Nathan Bryant
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-16 13:29 James.Smart
2004-08-10 23:56 Nathan Bryant
2004-08-11  9:53 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-11 12:55   ` Nathan Bryant
2004-08-11 13:39   ` James Bottomley

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