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From: Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: chetan loke <loke.chetan@gmail.com>
Cc: Kent Overstreet <koverstreet@google.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, nauman@google.com,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [Topic] Bcache
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:54:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120314185455.GD28042@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAsGZS5UTrYTbncAjk1Vor6R_-KWDboTw3sh+jXCbXm5q_o-TA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:33:25PM -0400, chetan loke wrote:
> But you are not explaining why dm is not the right stack. Just because
> it crashed when you tried doesn't mean it's not the right place.
> flash-cache works, doesn't it? flash-cache's limitation is because
> it's a dm-target or because it is using hashing or something else?
> There are start-ups who are doing quite great with SSD-cache+dm. So
> please stop kidding yourself.

SATA-attached flash is not the only kind of flash out there you know.
There is also PCIe-attached flash which is a wee bit faster (where wee
is defined as multiple orders of magnitude --- SATA-attached SSD's
typically have thousands of IOPS; Fusion I/O is shipping product today
with hundreds of thousands of IOPS, and has demonstrated a billion
IOPS early this year).  And Fusion I/O isn't the only company shipping
PCIe-attached flash products.

Startups may be doing great on SSD's; you may want to accept the fact
that there is stuff which is way, way, way better out there than
SSD's which are available on the market *today*.

And it's not like bache which is a new project.  It's working code,
just like flash cache is today.  So it's not like it needs to justify
its existence.

Best regards,

					- Ted

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-14 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-14 13:32 [Topic] Bcache Kent Overstreet
2012-03-14 15:53 ` [Lsf-pc] " Vivek Goyal
2012-03-14 17:24   ` Kent Overstreet
2012-03-14 22:01     ` Bcache Mike Snitzer
2012-03-14 22:09       ` [Lsf-pc] Bcache Williams, Dan J
2012-03-15 17:27       ` Bcache Kent Overstreet
2012-03-15 20:17         ` Bcache Mike Snitzer
2012-03-15 22:59           ` Bcache Kent Overstreet
2012-03-16  1:45             ` Bcache Mike Snitzer
2012-03-15 19:43     ` [Lsf-pc] [Topic] Bcache Vivek Goyal
2012-03-15 23:46       ` Kent Overstreet
2012-03-14 18:12   ` chetan loke
2012-03-14 18:17     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-03-14 18:33       ` chetan loke
2012-03-14 18:41         ` Kent Overstreet
2012-03-14 18:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-03-14 19:04           ` chetan loke
2012-03-15 17:01             ` Kent Overstreet
2012-03-14 18:54         ` Ted Ts'o [this message]
2012-03-14 19:22           ` chetan loke
2012-03-15 17:02           ` Kent Overstreet

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