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From: Todd E Brandt <todd.e.brandt@linux.intel.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Phillip Susi <psusi@ubuntu.com>, Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	SCSI development list <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Disk spin-up optimization during system resume
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:04:16 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140116180415.GA14515@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1401161125080.1109-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:59:43AM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> Folks:
> 
> I would like to tie together separate email threads regarding disk
> spin-up time during system resume.
> 
> Todd has posted some patches to make spin-up occur asynchronously, thus
> not delaying the return of the system to normal operation.  Phillip and
> I have been designing an approach to allow disks to remain spun-down
> until they are needed, by putting them into runtime suspend.  In other
> words, even though some disks may spin up all by themselves when the
> system wakes up, we may be able to avoid immediately spinning up the
> others.
> 
> To implement this approach will require a few small changes to the 
> runtime PM core and the block layer core.  I can take care of them 
> fairly easily; the difficult part lies in getting the sd driver to do 
> the right thing.
> 
> The basic outline of our approach goes like this.  The sd driver will 
> get a new resume_early callback routine, which will:
> 
> 	Check to see if the user has enabled runtime PM for this disk,
> 	if the runtime usage counter is at 0, if the request queue is
> 	empty, and so on.  Basically, anything that should prevent the
> 	disk from going into runtime suspend.
> 
> 	If all the conditions are met, set the disk's runtime PM
> 	status to RPM_SUSPENDED.  Otherwise set it to RPM_ACTIVE.
> 
> Then when the regular sd_resume routine runs, it will do this:
> 
> 	If the runtime PM status is RPM_ACTIVE, issue a START-STOP
> 	command to spin up the disk, the same as sd_resume does now.
> 	(And of course, the command can be skipped if the 
> 	manage_start_stop flag isn't set.)
> 
> 	Otherwise, check to see whether the disk is spinning up all
> 	by itself.  This presumably will involve issuing a TEST UNIT
> 	READY command and checking the sense data.  Maybe something
> 	different will be needed for ATA disks; I don't know.
> 
> 	If the disk is spinning, or if you can't tell, call
> 	pm_runtime_resume() to put the disk back into the
> 	RPM_ACTIVE state (and spin it up in the case where you 
> 	couldn't tell what it was doing).
> 
> Since the START-STOP and TEST UNIT READY (or REQUEST SENSE or whatever)  
> commands are likely to take a long time, they should all be carried out
> asynchronously with respect to the resume procedure.  I don't know what
> the best way is to implement this.  But it is important to guarantee
> that in the RPM_ACTIVE case, the START-STOP command gets sent to the
> disk before any other commands.  (This isn't an issue in the 
> RPM_SUSPENDED case, as the block layer will prevent requests being 
> sent out unless they have the REQ_PM flag set.)
> 
> Does this plan sound reasonable to everyone?  Are there important
> aspects I haven't considered (such as interactions between the SCSI and
> ATA layers)?
> 
> Alan Stern
> 

Both approaches employ non-blocking resume of the scsi disks so why don't
we treat these two patch sets as parts one and two. My patch just spins
everything up but sets everything to non-blocking, so it will take care
of the most common use cases. Your patch will then fine-tune that behavior
to only spin up those disks that are actually needed. I don't think there
are any serious conflicts between the two patch sets.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-16 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-17 19:33 [PATCH/RESEND v2 0/2] SATA disk resume time optimization Todd E Brandt
2013-11-07  1:53 ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-07  1:57   ` [PATCH 1/3] sd: don't bother spinning up disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-07 18:21     ` Douglas Gilbert
2013-11-07 21:16       ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-16 18:20         ` James Bottomley
2013-11-17  3:50           ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-17  6:43             ` James Bottomley
2013-11-17 16:15               ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-17 23:54                 ` Douglas Gilbert
2013-11-18  1:06                   ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-18 15:54                     ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-20 14:23                       ` Mark Lord
2013-11-20 14:48                         ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-28  1:39                           ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-18  0:09                 ` James Bottomley
2013-11-18  1:11                   ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-16  5:23       ` Mark Lord
2013-11-16 14:52         ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-07  1:57   ` [PATCH 2/3] libata: resume in the background Phillip Susi
2013-11-07  1:57   ` [PATCH 3/3] libata: don't start disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-09  1:20   ` [PATCH/RESEND v2 0/2] SATA disk resume time optimization Todd E Brandt
2013-11-09 20:59     ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 0/6] Let sleeping disks lie Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30         ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 1/6] libata: use sleep instead of standby command Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 2/6] libata: avoid waking disk for several commands Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 3/6] libata: resume in the background Phillip Susi
2014-01-10 22:26             ` Dan Williams
2014-01-11  2:25               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-11  3:11                 ` Dan Williams
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 4/6] libata: don't start disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 5/6] sd: don't start disks on system resume Phillip Susi
2013-12-17  6:43             ` James Bottomley
2013-12-17 15:01               ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-17 17:48                 ` James Bottomley
2013-12-17 18:30                   ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 6/6] libata: return power status in REQUEST SENSE command Phillip Susi
2013-12-17 18:02             ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-12-17 18:35               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-06  2:14           ` REQ_PM vs REQ_TYPE_PM_RESUME Phillip Susi
2014-01-06  7:36             ` Sujit Reddy Thumma
2014-01-06  9:15               ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-06 14:40                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-06 15:38                   ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07  2:44                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 15:20                       ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 15:40                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 15:56                           ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 18:29                           ` Douglas Gilbert
2014-01-09 19:20                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-10  5:23                               ` Douglas Gilbert
2014-01-10 14:29                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07  7:49                   ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-07 14:50                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  1:03                       ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  1:16                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  1:32                           ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  1:53                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  2:11                               ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  2:19                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  2:36                                   ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  5:24                                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  7:00                                       ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08 19:30                                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 15:25                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 15:43                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 16:08                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 16:37                           ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 18:05                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 18:43                               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 19:18                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 23:47                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08 17:46                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 18:31                                       ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 20:20                                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08 21:21                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 21:50                                           ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09  1:29                                           ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-09 12:17                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-09 13:18                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-09 15:40                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 15:53                                               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09 16:14                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 16:34                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09 17:06                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-16 16:59                                                 ` Disk spin-up optimization during system resume Alan Stern
2014-01-16 18:04                                                   ` Todd E Brandt [this message]
2014-01-16 18:33                                                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-16 20:05                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-16 22:04                                                       ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-17 14:57                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 19:31                                                           ` Dan Williams
2014-01-17 20:15                                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 20:24                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-17 20:55                                                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18 14:04                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-18  1:36                                                                 ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-18  1:41                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-18  2:15                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2014-01-18  2:33                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-18  3:24                                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18 13:59                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-17 20:49                                                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-17 22:17                                                               ` Dan Williams
2014-01-18  3:18                                                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18  4:09                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2014-01-18 14:08                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 10:12                                                                       ` Dan Williams
2014-01-21 14:37                                                                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-21 16:03                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 16:18                                                                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-21 16:49                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 15:44                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 16:18                                                                           ` Dan Williams
2014-01-21 16:55                                                                             ` Dan Williams
2014-01-20 12:38                                                                     ` CrashPlan Pro
2014-01-20 14:30                                                                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18  1:24                                                           ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-18  3:20                                                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-16 18:39                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-16 20:08                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 10:16                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2014-01-17 10:21                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-17 18:18                                                       ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 18:39                                                       ` James Bottomley
2014-01-17 19:07                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 1/6] libata: use sleep instead of standby command Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 2/6] libata: avoid waking disk to check power Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 13:05         ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 3/6] sd: don't bother spinning up disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 13:08         ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-11-11 14:28           ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 4/6] libata: resume in the background Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 13:10         ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 5/6] libata: don't start disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 6/6] libata: fake some more commands when drive is sleeping Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 16:59       ` [PATCH/RESEND v2 0/2] SATA disk resume time optimization Todd E Brandt
2013-11-11 17:08         ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-17 12:15           ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-17 14:24             ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-27 16:18 ` Phillip Susi

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