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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Martin Wilck <martin.wilck@suse.com>,
	"erwin@erwinvanlonden.net" <erwin@erwinvanlonden.net>,
	"Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de" 
	<Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de>,
	"martin.petersen@oracle.com" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: "jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"dgilbert@interlog.com" <dgilbert@interlog.com>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	"systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org" 
	<systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.com>, "hch@lst.de" <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] RFC: one more time: SCSI device identification
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:21:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2a6903e4-ff2b-67d5-e772-6971db8448fb@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <15e1a6a493f55051eab844bab2a107f783dc27ee.camel@suse.com>

On 4/27/21 10:10 AM, Martin Wilck wrote:
> On Tue, 2021-04-27 at 13:48 +1000, Erwin van Londen wrote:
>>>
>>> Wrt 1), we can only hope that it's the case. But 2) and 3) need work,
>>> afaics.
>>>
>> In my view the WWID should never change. 
> 
> In an ideal world, perhaps not. But in the dm-multipath realm, we know
> that WWID changes can happen with certain storage arrays. See 
> https://listman.redhat.com/archives/dm-devel/2021-February/msg00116.html 
> and follow-ups, for example.
> 
And it's actually something which might happen quite easily.
The storage array can unmap a LUN, delete it, create a new one, and map
that one into the same LUN number than the old one.
If we didn't do I/O during that interval upon the next I/O we will be
getting the dreaded 'Power-On/Reset' sense code.
_And nothing else_, due to the arcane rules for sense code generation in
SAM.
But we end up with a completely different device.

The only way out of it is to do a rescan for every POR sense code, and
disable the device eg via DID_NO_CONNECT whenever we find that the
identification has changed. We already have a copy of the original VPD
page 0x83 at hand, so that should be reasonably easy.

I had a rather lengthy discussion with Fred Knight @ NetApp about
Power-On/Reset handling, what with him complaining that we don't handle
is correctly. So this really is something we should be looking into,
even independently of multipathing.

But actually I like the idea from Martin Petersen to expose the parsed
VPD identifiers to sysfs; that would allow us to drop sg_inq completely
from the udev rules.

Cheers,

Hannes
-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-27  8:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-29  9:58 RFC: one more time: SCSI device identification Martin Wilck
2021-04-06  4:47 ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-04-16 23:28   ` Martin Wilck
2021-04-22  2:46     ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-04-22  9:07       ` Martin Wilck
2021-04-22 16:14         ` Benjamin Marzinski
2021-04-23  1:40         ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-04-23 10:28           ` Martin Wilck
2021-04-26 11:14             ` Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd-devel] " Ulrich Windl
2021-04-26 13:16               ` Martin Wilck
     [not found]                 ` <b5f288fb43bc79e0206794a901aef5b1761813de.camel@erwinvanlonden.net>
2021-04-27  7:02                   ` Antw: [EXT] Re: [dm-devel] " Ulrich Windl
2021-04-27  8:10                   ` Martin Wilck
2021-04-27  8:21                     ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2021-04-27 10:52                       ` Antw: [EXT] " Ulrich Windl
2021-04-27 20:04                         ` Ewan D. Milne
2021-05-04  7:32                         ` Hannes Reinecke
     [not found]                       ` <ff5b30ca02ecfad00097ad5f8b84d053514fb61c.camel@erwinvanlonden.net>
2021-04-28  6:34                         ` Martin Wilck
2021-04-29 14:47                           ` Erwin van Londen
2021-04-27 20:14                 ` Ewan D. Milne
2021-04-27 20:33                   ` Martin Wilck
2021-04-27 20:41                     ` Ewan D. Milne
2021-04-28  6:30                       ` [systemd-devel] " Martin Wilck
     [not found]                       ` <455a6e5086831323af86a150d21d5a0a7c2299eb.camel@erwinvanlonden.net>
     [not found]                         ` <ba1ed6166b285d4ccb90f5f17b971983092d382e.camel@redhat.com>
2021-05-03  2:34                           ` [dm-devel] " Erwin van Londen

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