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Wong" cc: James Bottomley , "linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-block@vger.kernel.org" , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Documenting the correct pushback on AI inspired (and other) fixes in older drivers In-Reply-To: <20260206051847.GC7693@frogsfrogsfrogs> Message-ID: <2f1cd352-44d8-d014-240c-8b264c1ba95c@linux-m68k.org> References: <32e620691c0ecf76f469a21bffaba396f207ccb9.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <5938441c-aaa9-c405-a78a-a66f387a5370@linux-m68k.org> <20260206051847.GC7693@frogsfrogsfrogs> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, 5 Feb 2026, Darrick J. Wong wrote: > On Fri, Feb 06, 2026 at 09:57:45AM +1100, Finn Thain wrote: > > > > On Thu, 5 Feb 2026, James Bottomley wrote: > > > > > To set the stage, we in SCSI have seen an uptick in patches to older > > > drivers mostly fixing missing free (data leak) and data race > > > problems. I'm not even sure they're all AI found, but we don't > > > really need to know that. > > > > If I may predict the next scene, by extrapolating only a little, we > > are approaching the point where it will be feasible to request that an > > AI simply generate a new driver, based on chip datasheets plus all of > > the open source drivers available for training, rather than patch the > > bugs in an existing driver. > > > > At that point, what use is a maintainer? I think we can still add > > value if > > Being a magic sources of datasheets obtained through murky means, > obviously. What /was/ grandpa doing when he came home with a bunch of > weird machinery at 3am in 1957?? :P > I'm told he was building a steam-powered flying saucer. I don't know whether he was more interested in the question, how did we get here or to where might we go.