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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Patrick Mansfield <patmans@us.ibm.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
	Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.name>,
	Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl, garloff@suse.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	sancho@dauskardt.de, linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, dougg@torque.net
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: /proc/scsi/map
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:53:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D0E1421.2070001@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20020617090958.A19843@eng2.beaverton.ibm.com

> Any SCSI device can return an ID (i.e. INQUIRY VPD page 0x80 or 0x83),
> so the logic need not be in sd. I don't know how removable media should
> be handled (not a SCSI device being added/removed from the system), for
> tape this is probably not an issue.
> ...
> 
>>Here, the usb-storage driver does know about the real device (and already has 
>>a huge exception table), so it has enough knowledge to probe for an identifier.
>  
> usb-storage could emulate VPD page 0x83 to return the GID, and that could
> then be used by the mid-layer or a user level program to extract an ID.

Except that as I recall, that's not practical for all devices; they may not
have built in IDs.  Hence there need to be topology-based IDs available.

Which is why I had pointed out usb_make_path() ... which returns a stable
controller ID for the "CBTU tuple".  It isn't going to get re-assigned by
changing the bus probe sequence or driver load order.  Even PCI has better
IDs available than those simple numbers (pci_device.slot_name).

If the driverfs names for all devices are supposed to be using stable IDs
(ones that don't change unless at least the hardware gets re-configured)
where possible, then those driverfs names will be better answers for the
"what is this device's topological ID" than those purely numeric CBTU tuples.

(And they won't address the volume/media/... ID level problems, which are
of course a separate issue.)

- Dave




  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-06-17 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <3D0CC56D.9050805@pacbell.net>
2002-06-16 17:25 ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: /proc/scsi/map James Bottomley
2002-06-16 20:54   ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-16 22:02     ` James Bottomley
2002-06-16 22:38       ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-16 23:14         ` James Bottomley
2002-06-17  5:19           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-17 14:54             ` James Bottomley
2002-06-17 16:09               ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-06-17 16:42                 ` James Bottomley
2002-06-17 19:07                   ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-06-17 20:25                     ` James Bottomley
2002-06-17 16:53                 ` David Brownell [this message]
2002-06-17 17:15       ` David Brownell
     [not found] <UTC200206152154.g5FLsCI23053.aeb@smtp.cwi.nl>
2002-06-16 17:05 ` David Brownell

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