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From: James Smart <james.smart@broadcom.com>
To: "Ewan D. Milne" <emilne@redhat.com>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>, Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	"James E . J . Bottomley" <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Martin K . Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	Sathya Prakash <sathya.prakash@broadcom.com>,
	Chaitra P B <chaitra.basappa@broadcom.com>,
	Suganath Prabu Subramani  <suganath-prabu.subramani@broadcom.com>,
	Kashyap Desai <kashyap.desai@broadcom.com>,
	Sumit Saxena <sumit.saxena@broadcom.com>,
	Shivasharan S <shivasharan.srikanteshwara@broadcom.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@wdc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] scsi: core: don't limit per-LUN queue depth for SSD
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:14:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3dda34b8-31fb-b9dd-c087-177192c7d686@broadcom.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e9cb5e75681537443b393ed1631857df81b8894d.camel@redhat.com>

On 11/25/2019 10:28 AM, Ewan D. Milne wrote:
> On Fri, 2019-11-22 at 10:14 -0800, Bart Van Assche wrote:
>> Hi Ming,
>>
>> Thanks for having shared these numbers. I think this is very useful
>> information. Do these results show the performance drop that happens if
>> /sys/block/.../device/queue_depth exceeds .can_queue? What I am
>> wondering about is how important these results are in the context of
>> this discussion. Are there any modern SCSI devices for which a SCSI LLD
>> sets scsi_host->can_queue and scsi_host->cmd_per_lun such that the
>> device responds with BUSY? What surprised me is that only three SCSI
>> LLDs call scsi_track_queue_full() (mptsas, bfa, esp_scsi). Does that
>> mean that BUSY responses from a SCSI device or HBA are rare?
>>
> Some FC HBAs end up returning busy from ->queuecommand() but I think
> this is more commonly due to there being and issue with the rport rather
> than the device.
>
> -Ewan
>

True - but I would assume busy from queuecommand() is different from 
BUSY/QUEUE_FULL via a SCSI response.

Adapter queuecommand busy's can be for out-of-resource limits in the 
driver - such as I_T io count limits enforced by the driver are reached, 
or if some other adapter resource limit is reached as well. Canqueue 
covers most of those - but we sometimes overcommit the adapter with a 
canqueue on physical port as well as per npiv ports, or scsi and nvme on 
the same port.

Going back to Bart's question - with SANS and multiple initiators 
sharing a target and lots of luns on that target, it's very common to 
hit bursty conditions where the target may reply with QUEUE_FULL.  Many 
arrays provide think tuning guides on how to set up values on multiple 
hosts, but it's mainly to help the target avoid being completely overrun 
as some didn't do so well.   In the end, it's very hard to predict 
multi-initiator load and in a lot of cases, things are usually left a 
bit overcommitted as the performance downside otherwise is significant.

-- james


  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-25 22:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-18 10:31 [PATCH 0/4] scis: don't apply per-LUN queue depth for SSD Ming Lei
2019-11-18 10:31 ` [PATCH 1/4] scsi: megaraid_sas: use private counter for tracking inflight per-LUN commands Ming Lei
2019-11-20  9:54   ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-11-26  3:12     ` Kashyap Desai
2019-11-26  3:37       ` Ming Lei
2019-12-05 10:32         ` Kashyap Desai
2019-11-18 10:31 ` [PATCH 2/4] scsi: mpt3sas: " Ming Lei
2019-11-20  9:55   ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-11-18 10:31 ` [PATCH 3/4] scsi: sd: register request queue after sd_revalidate_disk is done Ming Lei
2019-11-20  9:59   ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-11-18 10:31 ` [PATCH 4/4] scsi: core: don't limit per-LUN queue depth for SSD Ming Lei
2019-11-20 10:05   ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-11-20 17:00     ` Ewan D. Milne
2019-11-20 20:56       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-11-20 21:36         ` Ewan D. Milne
2019-11-22  2:25           ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-11-21  1:07         ` Ming Lei
2019-11-22  2:59           ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-11-22  3:24             ` Ming Lei
2019-11-22 16:38             ` Sumanesh Samanta
2019-11-21  0:08       ` Sumanesh Samanta
2019-11-21  0:54       ` Ming Lei
2019-11-21 19:19         ` Ewan D. Milne
2019-11-21  0:53     ` Ming Lei
2019-11-21 15:45       ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-11-22  8:09         ` Ming Lei
2019-11-22 18:14           ` Bart Van Assche
2019-11-22 18:26             ` James Smart
2019-11-22 20:46               ` Bart Van Assche
2019-11-22 22:04                 ` Ming Lei
2019-11-22 22:00             ` Ming Lei
2019-11-25 18:28             ` Ewan D. Milne
2019-11-25 22:14               ` James Smart [this message]
2019-11-22  2:18     ` Martin K. Petersen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-11-20 21:58 Sumanesh Samanta
2019-11-21  1:21 ` Ming Lei
2019-11-21  1:50   ` Sumanesh Samanta
2019-11-21  2:23     ` Ming Lei

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