From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Mike Anderson <andmike@us.ibm.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
greg@kroah.com, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: bug 2400
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 11:16:20 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <407050F4.2090607@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1081092223.2034.8.camel@mulgrave>
James Bottomley wrote:
> Let me illustrate: the user may disconnect the device then open it. If
> they open it before even the USB subsystem gets notified of the
> disconnection then all the elaborate synchronisation in the world isn't
> going to be able to prevent that (the device was gone when they opened
> it, just nothing in the kernel knew that). Since we cannot solve that
> race, there's no reason to try to solve the "some parts of the kernel
> know but others don't" part of the race.
You're assuming that synchronization is there to establish a single
global notion of state. Clearly that's impossible; also undesirable.
The synchronization is actually there to let the "device gone" state
spread cleanly through the software stack. By the time USB disconnect()
is called, host controller drivers (and khubd) have normally cleaned up
all hardware state, and usbcore is never going to accept another operation
on that device. The disconnect() callback is there to prevent that
raciness from making trouble ... closing windows from the bottom up.
The way usb-storage passes that up to the SCSI layer is by calling
scsi_remove_host(). Bug 2400 shows up later, through the block
layer (or is it just cdrom?) code. Did someone actually post the
specific source code line in cdrom_release() that's oopsing?
- Dave
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-04-04 18:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-01 21:15 bug 2400 Andrew Morton
2004-04-01 21:52 ` Matt Gulick
2004-04-01 22:08 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-01 22:48 ` Matt Gulick
2004-04-01 22:40 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-01 22:53 ` Matt Gulick
2004-04-01 23:07 ` Matthew Dharm
2004-04-01 23:32 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-02 0:29 ` Steven Dake
2004-04-02 8:43 ` Mike Anderson
2004-04-02 15:57 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-02 16:45 ` Mike Anderson
2004-04-02 17:05 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-02 17:44 ` Mike Anderson
2004-04-02 18:13 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-02 23:40 ` Mike Anderson
2004-04-03 0:25 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-04 1:40 ` Alan Stern
2004-04-04 15:23 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-04 16:46 ` Alan Stern
2004-04-04 17:04 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-05 3:17 ` Alan Stern
2004-04-05 14:59 ` Mike Anderson
2004-04-05 21:27 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-06 14:00 ` Alan Stern
2004-04-05 22:10 ` Patrick Mansfield
2004-04-06 14:10 ` Alan Stern
2004-04-08 14:09 ` Alan Stern
2004-04-08 16:24 ` Matt Gulick
2004-04-08 18:33 ` Alan Stern
2004-04-08 19:44 ` Matt Gulick
2004-04-05 13:30 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2004-04-04 18:16 ` David Brownell [this message]
2004-04-04 18:42 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-05 3:54 ` David Brownell
2004-04-05 21:44 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-05 23:23 ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2004-04-06 1:19 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-06 6:52 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-04-06 14:03 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-07 9:19 ` Oliver.Neukum
2004-04-06 15:10 ` David Brownell
2004-04-06 15:47 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-06 16:16 ` David Brownell
2004-04-06 16:55 ` Alan Stern
2004-04-06 17:13 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-02 23:36 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-03 0:11 ` Mike Anderson
2004-04-03 0:16 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-05 4:33 ` Patrick Mansfield
2004-04-05 14:09 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-05 21:07 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-06 9:22 ` Jens Axboe
2004-04-06 13:56 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-06 14:04 ` Jens Axboe
2004-04-06 14:09 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-08 23:06 ` Greg KH
2004-04-09 11:28 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-05 14:03 ` Jens Axboe
2004-04-05 21:08 ` James Bottomley
2004-04-06 9:22 ` Jens Axboe
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