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From: Luben Tuikov <ltuikov@yahoo.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: ltuikov@yahoo.com, jeff@garzik.org, lydianconcepts@gmail.com,
	mdr@sgi.com, James.Smart@emulex.com, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: generating a Linux WWN?
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:18:56 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <423911.99564.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1191622146.3475.51.camel@localhost.localdomain>

--- James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com> wrote:
> 
> For the record, what the current in-kernel aic94xx driver does for this
> case is allow a parameter override to specify the WWN in the case where
> the card burned in one has gone missing or is corrupt.  I think this is
> the correctly balanced approach to the problem.
> 
> For the record, I pretty much agree completely with Luben's position on
> this:  I want to allow the user a method to correct any problem (i.e.
> supply a WWN override).  However, I also want them to think about the
> issue before they do this.  What I really don't want is the driver
> silently correcting what it thinks to be a defective WWN and generating
> its own replacement because that's a recipe for disaster on a SAN (SANs
> are a lot less robust than networks to duplicate MAC addresses: because
> of the way expander routing is done, you can possibly collapse the
> entire SAN with duplicate WWNs).
> 
> So, the procedure for a SAS card should be:
> 
>      1. Obtain the WWN from a device specific storage method (like
>         flash)
>      2. Replace this with a passed in command line parameter if one
>         exists
>      3. refuse to attach if there's still no valid WWN and give an
>         explicit method saying what the problem is (and possibly how to
>         fix it)

That is absolutely correct.

If a node in a SAN doesn't come up, the SAN admin will inspect
the kernel log and find out that the driver failed to attach
due to a missing WWN.  This is a grave condition.

In enterprise, if one component is compromised, then the whole
system should fail and be brought to admin's attention.

The admin may decide to replace this card with a working one,
or ask the Storage Manager to generate a temporary WWN (which could
be the next machine over), or if the admin themselves maintain
the SAN, they can generate a temporary WWN.

But it is imperative that the admin immediately knows
of the fact that a node in the SAN has experienced a problem
and cannot read its WWN.

Alternatively, if the SAN is zoned, then the _rogue_ node
who autogenerated its WWN will be rejected access to the SAN.
A node which autogenerates WWNs is considered a security
risk and a rogue node.

   Luben


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-08 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-27 10:04 generating a Linux WWN? Jeff Garzik
2007-09-27 13:55 ` Michael Reed
2007-09-27 14:04 ` James Smart
2007-09-27 14:16   ` Patrick_Boyd
2007-09-27 14:46     ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-09-27 15:07       ` Michael Reed
2007-09-27 15:12         ` Michael Reed
2007-09-27 23:40         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-27 22:48       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-01 10:56         ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-27 14:19   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-27 14:29     ` Michael Reed
2007-09-27 15:30       ` Douglas Gilbert
2007-09-27 22:32         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-27 23:12       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-02 23:47         ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  0:35           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03  3:45             ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  4:15               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03  5:12                 ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  5:25                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03  5:31                     ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  5:45                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03 14:59                         ` Douglas Gilbert
2007-10-03 16:16                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03 18:02                         ` Matthew Jacob
2007-10-03 18:09                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03 19:44                             ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03 20:25                               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03 22:08                                 ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03 22:17                                   ` David Miller
2007-10-04  0:11                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-04  3:23                                       ` Matthew Jacob
2007-10-04  3:27                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-04  3:33                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-05 22:09                                     ` James Bottomley
2007-10-05 22:11                                       ` David Miller
2007-10-05 22:14                                         ` James Bottomley
2007-10-05 22:17                                           ` David Miller
2007-10-05 22:41                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-05 22:49                                               ` David Miller
2007-10-05 22:52                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-06 14:11                                             ` James Bottomley
2007-10-06 14:36                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-06 15:04                                                 ` James Bottomley
2007-10-06 15:23                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-06 15:33                                                     ` James Bottomley
2007-10-06 15:42                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-08 18:42                                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-07  2:48                                                   ` David Miller
2007-10-08 15:41                                                     ` Michael Reed
2007-10-08 18:34                                                 ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-07  2:46                                               ` David Miller
2007-10-08 18:18                                       ` Luben Tuikov [this message]
2007-10-03  5:38                     ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  5:47                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03 15:33                         ` Michael Reed
2007-10-03 16:02                           ` Jeff Garzik

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