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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Luben Tuikov <luben_tuikov@adaptec.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <jejb@steeleye.com>,
	SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] minimal SAS transport class
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:48:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <430F63EA.7020400@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <430F5C8F.3030708@adaptec.com>

Luben Tuikov wrote:
> On 08/26/05 13:22, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
>>On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 12:43 -0400, Luben Tuikov wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>A move away from forced HCIL addressing would be a good thing.
>>>>
>>>>However, its impossible to completely move away from addressing, as 
>>>>userspace and the SCSI core need ways to route CDBs to devices based on 
>>>>address.
>>>
>>>They can use _anyone_ label in the label list of the LU.
>>
>>
>>I think what Jeff means is that the mid-layer needs to know which LLD to
>>send the CDB to.
> 
> 
> No, I thought he meant about user space apps, *NOT* SCSI Core.
> 
> Since, the transport found the device on the domain (NOT LU!)
> it then calls SCSI Core to register it.
> 
> So you have:
> 
> task->scsi_domain_device->lldd->lldd_execute_task(task).
> 
> 
>>This is the routing information (and is really just
>>the host number).
> 
> 
> No host numbers, no routing information.  This is all
> transparent to SCSI Core, and NONE of its business.


Routing is an essential part of the SCSI core's duties.

The SCSI core is the resource manager responsible for routing messages 
[CDBs] to/from LLDs based on <scsi-specific device address>.  This 
includes resolution of kernel-specific identifiers (device major/minor, 
etc.) into <s.s.d.a.>.  This also includes direct use of 
userspace-provided identifiers as <s.s.d.a.>, such as via SG_IO ioctl.

Moving away from HCIL requires a lot of thought, including thinking 
about userland app breakage -- a big deal in Linux.

Ask yourself where all these HCIL-addressed CDBs come from...  each one 
of those CDB submittors must be updated from HCIL addressing/routing to 
transport-specific.

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2005-08-26 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-20  4:15 [PATCH] minimal SAS transport class James.Smart
2005-08-20  4:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-20 17:23 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-21 17:03   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-21 16:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-21 18:23   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-22  4:55 ` Matt Domsch
2005-08-22 17:05   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-22 21:53     ` Mike Anderson
2005-08-23 23:55       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-24 17:12         ` Patrick Mansfield
2005-08-24 20:05           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-24 20:42             ` Patrick Mansfield
2005-08-24 21:48               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-23 11:10     ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-08-23  6:27 ` Hannes Reinecke
2005-08-23 15:42 ` Patrick Mansfield
2005-08-23 15:53   ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-08-24  0:13   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-25 19:32     ` Stefan Richter
2005-08-25 20:06       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-26 16:43         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-26 17:22           ` James Bottomley
2005-08-26 18:16             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-26 18:48               ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2005-08-26 19:37                 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-27  1:39                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-27  7:11                     ` Stefan Richter
2005-08-28 22:13                     ` Luben Tuikov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-08-23 18:25 James.Smart
2005-08-23 16:16 James.Smart
2005-08-23 17:28 ` Stefan Richter
2005-08-24  0:02   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-24  9:12     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-26 15:47       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-26 19:24         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-26 19:44           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-27  1:53             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-27  7:35               ` Stefan Richter
2005-08-28 22:27               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-29  5:16               ` Stefan Richter
2005-08-29 17:11           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-29 17:20             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-29 17:25               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-29 17:16         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-29 17:31           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-29 18:34             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-29 18:09           ` James Bottomley
2005-08-23 17:57 ` Patrick Mansfield
2005-08-22 23:08 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-08-24  8:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-18 18:48 James.Smart
2005-08-18 19:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-19 14:06   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-19 17:51     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-19 17:54       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-19 17:56         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-19 17:59           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-19 18:07             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-19 19:59               ` James Bottomley
2005-08-19 20:32                 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-19 20:54                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-20  9:18                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-20 17:34                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-21  6:41                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-21 17:07                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-19 19:08             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-18 20:06 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-19 14:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-18 14:43 James.Smart
2005-08-18 14:02 James.Smart
2005-08-18 17:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-18 20:05   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-19 14:15     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-18 11:57 James.Smart
2005-08-15 13:55 Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-15 14:19 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-15 14:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-15 15:04   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-15 15:13 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-15 15:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-15 15:33     ` Luben Tuikov

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