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From: Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] remove use_sg_chaining
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:54:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4793A6ED.1080707@panasas.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1200857062.3105.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, Jan 20 2008 at 21:24 +0200, James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 21:18 +0200, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 15 2008 at 19:52 +0200, James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:
>>> this patch depends on the sg branch of the block tree
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> ---
>>> From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:11:46 -0600
>>> Subject: remove use_sg_chaining
>>>
>>> With the sg table code, every SCSI driver is now either chain capable
>>> or broken, so there's no need to have a check in the host template.
>>>
>>> Also tidy up the code by moving the scatterlist size defines into the
>>> SCSI includes and permit the last entry of the scatterlist pools not
>>> to be a power of two.
>>> ---
>> I have a theoretical problem that BUGed me from the beginning.
>>
>> Could it happen that a memory critical IO, (that is needed to free
>> memory), be collected into an sg-chained large IO, and the allocation 
>> of the multiple sg-pool-allocations fail, thous dead locking on
>> out-of-memory? Is there a mechanism in place that will split large IO's 
>> into smaller chunks in the event of out-of-memory condition in prep_fn?
>>
>> Is it possible to call blk_rq_map_sg() with less then what is present
>> at request to only map the starting portion?
> 
> Obviously, that's why I was worrying about mempool size and default
> blocks a while ago.
> 
> However, the deadlock only occurs if the device is swap or backing a
> filesystem with memory mapped files.  The use cases for this are really
> tapes and other entities that need huge buffers.  That's why we're
> keeping the system sector size at 1024 unless you alter it through sysfs
> (here gun, there foot ...)
> 
> James
> 

OK Thanks for confirming my concern, In modern life with devices like
iSCSI that have ~0 as it's max_sector, swapping over that should be considered
and configured carefully. Once with pNFS over blocks/objects it should be addressed.
Perhaps with a FAIL_FAST semantics for users like pNFS to split up the requests if they
fail with out-of-memory.

Thanks
Boaz
 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-20 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-15 17:52 [PATCH] remove use_sg_chaining James Bottomley
2008-01-15 20:10 ` [PATCH] firewire: fw-sbp2: prepare for s/g chaining Stefan Richter
2008-01-15 20:11   ` [PATCH] ieee1394: sbp2: " Stefan Richter
2008-01-15 20:21     ` Stefan Richter
2008-01-18  3:33   ` [PATCH] firewire: fw-sbp2: " FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-19 21:20     ` Stefan Richter
2008-01-20 19:18 ` [PATCH] remove use_sg_chaining Boaz Harrosh
2008-01-20 19:24   ` James Bottomley
2008-01-20 19:29     ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-20 19:56       ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-01-20 19:59         ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-20 20:01           ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-20 20:59             ` James Bottomley
2008-01-21  8:32               ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-01-21  9:31                 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-21 10:31                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-01-21 11:32                   ` Benny Halevy
2008-01-20 19:54     ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2008-01-20 19:59       ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-20 20:52       ` James Bottomley
2008-01-21  4:33       ` FUJITA Tomonori

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