From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andrew Buehler Subject: Re: USB regression (and other failures) in 2.6.2[45]* Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: <47B85E04.7090200@gmail.com> References: <47B71372.5050804@gmail.com> <20080217012006.3757dfae.pj@sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.224]:26651 "EHLO wx-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751695AbYBQQRO (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:17:14 -0500 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h31so1058403wxd.4 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:17:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20080217012006.3757dfae.pj@sgi.com> Sender: linux-scsi-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org To: Paul Jackson Cc: stern@rowland.harvard.edu, oliver.pntr@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, greg@kroah.com, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, Joseph Fannin On 2/17/2008 2:20 AM, Paul Jackson wrote: > Andrew wrote: (Since there are multiple Andrews on just the LKML, and at least two - one of whom is much more prominent than I am - in the direct address list for this discussion, I'm not sure whether or not this is a sufficient attribution. If it works for you, though...) >> (Note: I consider it blatantly incorrect to send a reply both to a >> mailing list and directly to the address of someone who is >> subscribed to that list > > Regardless of how you consider it, that is how responding to these > big lists -must- work. > > There is no practical way for respondents to know, without spending > at a minimum several minutes of their time per reply, whether or not > the explicit receipients of a message are or are not also on one or > more of the receiving lists. As I have now acknowledged twice (and this makes three times), there does not seem to be a practical way to avoid it in this instance. That does not make it any less incorrect to send a duplicate private copy to the person in question. > Do you really expect, Andrew, that I should examine the membership > lists of each of linux-scsi, linux-usb and linux-kernel (if they are > even open to the public) to see if you're subscribed to them, before > responding to a message addressed such as this? Of course not. > As subscribers and submitters to such lists, we just have to learn to > deal with this reality. For example, I receive an average of a 100 > messages per hour on this email address, -after- my employers spam > filters have knocked off over 90% of the incoming. > > May I recommend you become an expert in procmail? That or speed > reading (and speed ignoring ;). AFAIRK (though I could be mistaken), procmail is not available under Windows, which is what I have to use for work purposes. I have an interest in learning it form my own purposes, but it is very much on the back burner. > In a separate reply to this message, Alan Stern wrote: > >> Everyone has his own taste. > > This is not a matter of taste on these big lists. There is no other > practical alternative. I'm not disputing that. I just consider it incorrect anyway. > Joseph Fannin also replied: > >> another free mail service which isn't so broken, > > I'd recommend fastmail.fm as one of the least broken, most tech savvy > mail services. I believe that their free side includes IMAP, though > not POP support. I'm not as fond of IMAP as I used to be, though I no longer remember exactly why, but I thank you for the recommendation. When I have opportunity I will check it out, though that will probably not be this week. (I also thank Joseph for the confirmation that the problem does lie with Gmail.) And, since there is no longer anything specifically kernel-related in this subthread, I do not intend to reply publicly in it again unless requested to do so. -- Andrew Buehler