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From: Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: sekharan@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, michaelc@cs.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] scsi_dh: Add modalias support for SCSI targets
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:08:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49DCBDE6.5000806@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1239137973.29492.12.camel@mulgrave>

On 04/07/2009 04:59 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 15:43 -0700, Chandra Seetharaman wrote:
>> Hi James,
>>
>> Do you still have any concerns (after Peter's response) ?
> 
> Yes, the basic concerns still remain:
> 
>      1. You're forcing autoload now even if the user isn't running
>         dm ... this is going to cause problems with non-dm based path
>         handlers

(Chandra covered this pretty well, so I'll leave it be.)

>      2. autoloading in this fashion is essentially trying to work around
>         a problem in the initrd tools.  The kernel isn't the right place
>         to implement the fix.

This seems backwards to me.  It's not trying to work around a problem
in the initrd tools; it's trying to avoid creating one by making this
subsystem unlike others.

The point of having modaliases is to allow the kernel to announce that it's
got a hardware device and notify the userland that appropriate modules should
be loaded.  That's exactly what we've done here.  What we're trying to avoid
in the initrd tools is having to have a special handler for this subsystem;
instead, we'd much rather use the generic mechanism that already exists for
this purpose.

> The risks of this approach seem very high, and the rewards pretty small.

Can you please explain what the high risks you're thinking of are?  I'm not
clear on what undesirable behavior you expect to occur.

The reward is that scsi targets behave exactly like most other types of
hardware and kernel modules in this regard, without having to write special
probing for this subsystem in the userland and special handling for loading
these modules.  That's a pretty big win for maintainability.

-- 
        Peter

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-08 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-18  1:36 [PATCH 0/3] scsi_dh: Make scsi device handler modules automatically inserted Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 1/3] scsi_dh: Add modalias support for SCSI targets Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 13:44   ` Konrad Rzeszutek
2009-03-18 14:02     ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 14:36       ` Konrad Rzeszutek
2009-03-18 18:30   ` Kay Sievers
2009-03-18 19:18     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-19 18:54       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-20 18:24         ` Peter Jones
2009-03-23 22:13           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-03 22:43             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-07 20:59               ` James Bottomley
2009-04-07 23:41                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-08 15:08                 ` Peter Jones [this message]
2009-04-15 21:52                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-16 15:18                     ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-04-07 23:22               ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-04-07 23:50                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-08  5:15                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-04-08 19:13                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 18:47   ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 19:12     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 20:09       ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 20:24         ` Kay Sievers
2009-03-18 20:26           ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 20:59         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-20 17:41         ` Peter Jones
2009-03-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 2/3] scsi_dh: Change scsi device handler modules to utilize modalias Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 13:46   ` Konrad Rzeszutek
2009-03-18 15:43     ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18 17:25       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 17:50         ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18 18:18           ` Kay Sievers
2009-03-18 19:44             ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18 18:50           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 19:46             ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 3/3] scsi_dh: Workaround a race condition in module insertion Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 11:31 ` [PATCH 0/3] scsi_dh: Make scsi device handler modules automatically inserted Hannes Reinecke
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-27 18:06 Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-27 18:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] scsi_dh: Add modalias support for SCSI targets Chandra Seetharaman

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