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From: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vvvvvst@gmail.com>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Richard Williams <richard@etechsoft.com>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>,
	FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	Mike Christie <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>,
	"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	scst-devel <scst-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>, Andy Yan <ayan@marvell.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vu Pham <vuhuong@mellanox.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Scst-devel] [PATCH 8/19]: SCST SYSFS interface implementation
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:50:43 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE6E323.8080703@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101119202202.GB6323@core.coreip.homeip.net>

Dmitry Torokhov, on 11/19/2010 11:22 PM wrote:
>> None of the SCST objects are Linux devices. None of them has entries in
>> /dev, none of them needs to send any events to udev and none of them
>> sends or receives data from DMA, hence has any DMA parameters or
>> restrictions. So, how can them fit into the driver/bus/device model you
>> are enforcing?
> 
> Note that the entities in /sys/devices/... tree and not necessarily
> physical devices bit rather interface abstractionss. Consider, for
> example, /sys/class/input/*. None of the "devices" there talk directly
> to hardware, do DMA or other things. Some of them don't even talk to
> usrespace directly but rather through additional interfaces (evdev.
> mousedev, ect). Still they are represented there and even have suspend
> and resume methods (because even for logical devices it makes sense to
> save and restore some state).

But all of them still place from where to events received and where
requests from Linux sent, aren't them?

SCST devices are not even logical devices. As I wrote, "devices" word is
misleading. SCST devices are converse of what Linux means under this
word. SCST devices are like NFS exports: a place where those events
generated and those requests received.

Think of SCST device as if it sits on the opposite side of the PCI bus
of the corresponding SCSI device Linux sees in /sys/class and /sys/bus.

So, if we need Linux devices for SCST devices, we create them using
scst_local driver. And then, of course, all them have their place in
/sys/class/ and /sys/bus. Although more common use of them from remote
systems via iSCSI, Fibre Channel, InfiniBand, etc. The remote systems
create devices in /sys/class/ and /sys/bus (if they are Linux), we serve
them.

Vlad

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-19 20:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-01 21:34 [PATCHv4 0/19]: New SCSI target framework (SCST) with dev handlers and 2 target drivers Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:36 ` [PATCH 1/19]: Integration of SCST into the Linux kernel tree Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:36 ` [PATCH 2/19]: SCST core's Makefile and Kconfig Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:38 ` [PATCH 3/19]: SCST public headers Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:39 ` [PATCH 4/19]: SCST main management files and private headers Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:42 ` [PATCH 5/19]: SCST implementation of the SCSI target state machine Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:43 ` [PATCH 6/19]: SCST internal library functions Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:44 ` [PATCH 7/19]: SCST Persistent Reservations implementation Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:46 ` [PATCH 8/19]: SCST SYSFS interface implementation Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-09 21:20   ` Greg KH
2010-10-11 19:29     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-11 21:32       ` Greg KH
2010-10-12 18:53         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-12 19:03           ` Greg KH
2010-10-14 19:48             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-14 20:04               ` Greg KH
2010-10-22 17:30                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-22 17:56                   ` Greg KH
2010-10-22 18:40                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-22 18:54                       ` Greg KH
2010-11-08 19:58                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-09  0:28                           ` Greg KH
2010-11-09 20:06                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-10  9:58                               ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-10 20:19                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-10 20:29                                   ` Joe Eykholt
2010-11-10 20:38                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-10 20:42                                     ` Joe Eykholt
2010-11-11  9:59                                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-11 12:04                                     ` Greg KH
2010-11-11 14:05                                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-11 14:16                                         ` Greg KH
2010-11-11 14:19                                           ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-11 20:50                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-12  1:23                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-12 12:09                                         ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-12 18:44                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-13 10:52                                             ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-13 17:20                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-13 23:59                                           ` Greg KH
2010-11-15  6:59                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-15 17:53                                               ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-15 20:36                                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15  9:46                                             ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-15 16:16                                               ` Greg KH
2010-11-15 17:19                                                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-15 17:49                                                   ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-15 20:19                                                     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-11-16 13:12                                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-16 11:59                                                     ` [Scst-devel] " Richard Williams
2010-11-16 13:17                                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-18 21:02                                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-18 21:46                                                           ` Greg KH
2010-11-19 18:00                                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-19 20:22                                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-19 20:50                                                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin [this message]
2010-11-19 21:16                                                                   ` Greg KH
2010-11-24 20:35                                                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-19 21:19                                                               ` Greg KH
2010-12-10 12:06                                                                 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-12-10 19:36                                                                   ` Greg KH
2010-12-14 14:10                                                                     ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-19 18:01                                                             ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-15 20:39                                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15 20:39                                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15 17:45                                             ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-15 18:44                                               ` Greg KH
2010-11-15 20:39                                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15 22:13                                                   ` Greg KH
2010-11-16  5:04                                                     ` Joe Eykholt
2010-11-16  6:03                                                       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-11-16  8:49                                                       ` Florian Mickler
2010-11-16 13:18                                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-16  7:15                                                     ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-16 13:19                                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15 20:36                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15  7:04                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-15 20:37                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15 21:14                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-16 13:13                                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:46 ` [PATCH 9/19]: SCST debugging support routines Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:48 ` [PATCH 10/19]: SCST SGV cache Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:48 ` [PATCH 11/19]: SCST core's docs Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:49 ` [PATCH 12/19]: SCST dev handlers' Makefile Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:50 ` [PATCH 13/19]: SCST vdisk dev handler Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:51 ` [PATCH 14/19]: SCST pass-through dev handlers Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:53 ` [PATCH 15/19]: Implementation of blk_rq_map_kern_sg() Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:57 ` [PATCH 16/19]: scst_local target driver Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:58 ` [PATCH 17/19]: SCST InfiniBand SRP " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 22:04 ` [PATCH 18/19]: ibmvstgt: Port from tgt to SCST Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 22:05 ` [PATCH 19/19]: tgt: Removal Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-02  7:40 ` [PATCHv4 0/19]: New SCSI target framework (SCST) with dev handlers and 2 target drivers Bart Van Assche
2010-10-06 20:21 ` [Scst-devel] " Steve Modica

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