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From: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Michael Christie <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 6/9] Make scsi_remove_host() wait until error handling finished
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:52:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52EB5630.2010401@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1391147936.2181.160.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com>

On 01/31/14 06:58, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 20:46 +0100, Bart Van Assche wrote:
>> On 06/25/13 18:13, Michael Christie wrote:
>> Sorry but I'm afraid that making the SCSI core invoke a callback
>> function from a device, target or host release function would create a
>> new challenge, namely making sure that all these callback functions have
>> finished before the module is unloaded that contains the SCSI host
>> template and the code implementing such a callback function. That
>> challenge is not specific to the SCSI infrastructure but is a general
>> question that has not yet been solved in the Linux kernel (see e.g.
>> "[PATCH] kobject: provide kobject_put_wait to fix module unload race"
>> for a more general discussion about how to ensure that kobject release
>> functions are invoked before the module is unloaded that owns the
>> release function - http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1622885).
> 
> For callbacks, that's easy: it's module_get/module_put

Adding a module_get() call in scsi_add_host() and a module_put() call in
scsi_host_dev_release() would cause a behavior change that would be
reported by end users as "system hangs during shutdown". Today it is
possible to unload a kernel module via rmmod that created one or more
SCSI hosts. Since user space does not remove SCSI hosts during system
shutdown, trying to unload a SCSI LLD kernel module that had created one
or more SCSI hosts would cause the module unload to fail because of a
non-zero module reference count.

>> In case it is not clear why I'm reviving this discussion: now that the
>> "improved eh timeout handler" patch is upstream (commit
>> e494f6a728394ab0df194342549ee20e6f0752df) there is an additional way in
>> which the SCSI core can invoke an EH function concurrently with or after
>> scsi_remove_host() has finished, namely from the TMF work queue
>> (tmf_work_q).
> 
> But the fundamental guarantee is that the eh thread for the host (the eh
> context if you will) has to be dead before the host can be removed and
> the module unloaded.  The thread doesn't die until all the work is done.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but as far as I can see
kthread_stop(shost->ehandler) is invoked from scsi_host_dev_release().
That last function is called by the last scsi_host_put(). And LLD's
invoke scsi_host_put() after scsi_remove_host(). In other words, the
SCSI error handler thread and TMF work queue are still active when
scsi_remove_host() returns.

Should I repost the patch at the start of this thread ?

Thanks,

Bart.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-31  7:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-12 12:48 [PATCH v11 0/9] More device removal fixes Bart Van Assche
2013-06-12 12:49 ` [PATCH v11 1/9] Fix race between starved list and device removal Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24 15:38   ` James Bottomley
2013-06-24 16:16     ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24 16:23       ` James Bottomley
2013-06-24 17:24     ` Mike Christie
2013-06-24 17:49       ` James Bottomley
2013-06-12 12:51 ` [PATCH v11 2/9] Remove get_device() / put_device() pair from scsi_request_fn() Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24  1:29   ` Mike Christie
2013-06-24  2:36   ` James Bottomley
2013-06-24  7:13     ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24 13:34       ` James Bottomley
2013-06-24 15:43         ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-12 12:52 ` [PATCH v11 3/9] Avoid calling __scsi_remove_device() twice Bart Van Assche
2013-06-23 21:35   ` Mike Christie
2013-06-24  6:29     ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24 17:38   ` James Bottomley
2013-06-25  8:37     ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-25 13:44       ` James Bottomley
2013-06-25 15:23         ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-12 12:53 ` [PATCH v11 4/9] Disallow changing the device state via sysfs into "deleted" Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24  1:05   ` Mike Christie
2013-06-24  6:35     ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24 17:59   ` James Bottomley
2013-06-25  8:41     ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-25 13:42       ` James Bottomley
2013-06-12 12:54 ` [PATCH v11 5/9] Avoid saving/restoring interrupt state inside scsi_remove_host() Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24  1:06   ` Mike Christie
2013-06-12 12:55 ` [PATCH v11 6/9] Make scsi_remove_host() wait until error handling finished Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24  1:15   ` Mike Christie
2013-06-24  6:49     ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24 19:19   ` James Bottomley
2013-06-24 20:04     ` Mike Christie
2013-06-24 22:27       ` James Bottomley
2013-06-25  2:26         ` Mike Christie
2013-06-25  2:56           ` Michael Christie
2013-06-25  9:01         ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-25 13:45           ` James Bottomley
2013-06-25 15:31             ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-25 16:13               ` Michael Christie
2013-06-25 17:40                 ` James Bottomley
2013-06-25 17:47                   ` Bart Van Assche
2014-01-30 19:46                 ` Bart Van Assche
2014-01-31  5:58                   ` James Bottomley
2014-01-31  7:52                     ` Bart Van Assche [this message]
2013-06-25 11:13         ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-12 12:56 ` PATCH v11 7/9] Avoid that scsi_device_set_state() triggers a race Bart Van Assche
2013-06-12 12:57 ` [PATCH v11 8/9] Save and restore host_scribble during error handling Bart Van Assche
2013-06-24  1:21   ` Mike Christie
2013-06-24  2:08     ` James Bottomley
2013-06-12 12:58 ` [PATCH v11 9/9] Avoid reenabling I/O after the transport became offline Bart Van Assche
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-06-24 10:17 RE:[PATCH v11 6/9] Make scsi_remove_host() wait until error handling finished Jack Wang
2013-06-24 10:53 ` [PATCH " Bart Van Assche

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