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From: Damien Le Moal <dlemoal@kernel.org>
To: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	"Martin K . Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	dm-devel@lists.linux.dev, Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/26] Zone write plugging
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 09:07:50 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <548aa284-6c80-4f01-a5ce-bb16f64e9c85@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fc7ab626-58ed-49bd-b692-4875d17c6556@acm.org>

On 2/6/24 03:18, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> On 2/1/24 23:30, Damien Le Moal wrote:
>>   - Zone write plugging operates on BIOs instead of requests. Plugged
>>     BIOs waiting for execution thus do not hold scheduling tags and thus
>>     do not prevent other BIOs from being submitted to the device (reads
>>     or writes to other zones). Depending on the workload, this can
>>     significantly improve the device use and the performance.
> 
> Deep queues may introduce performance problems. In Android we had to
> restrict the number of pending writes to the device queue depth because
> otherwise read latency is too high (e.g. to start the camera app).

With zone write plugging, BIOS are delayed well above the scheduler and device.
BIOs that are plugged/delayed by ZWP do not hold tags, not even a scheduler tag,
so that allows reads (which are never plugged) to proceed. That is actually
unlike zone write locking which can hold on to all scheduler tags thus
preventing reads to proceed.

> I'm not convinced that queuing zoned write bios is a better approach than
> queuing zoned write requests.

Well, I do not see why not. The above point on its own is actually to me a good
argument enough. And various tests with btrfs showed that even with a slow HDD I
can see better overall thoughtput with ZWP compared to zone write locking.
And for fast sloid state zoned device (NVMe/UFS), you do not even need an IO
scheduler anymore.

> 
> Are there numbers available about the performance differences (bandwidth
> and latency) between plugging zoned write bios and zoned write plugging
> requests?

Finish reading the cover letter. It has lots of measurements with rc2, Jens
block/for-next and ZWP...

I actually reran all these perf tests over the weekend, but this time did 10
runs and took the average for comparison. Overall, I confirmed the results
showed in the cover letter: performance is generally on-par with ZWP or better,
but there is one exception: small sequential writes at high qd. There seem to be
an issue with regular plugging (current->plug) which result in lost merging
opportunists, causing the performance regression. I am digging into that to
understand what is happening.

-- 
Damien Le Moal
Western Digital Research


  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-06  0:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-02  7:30 [PATCH 00/26] Zone write plugging Damien Le Moal
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 01/26] block: Restore sector of flush requests Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 11:55   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-05 17:22   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-05 23:42     ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 02/26] block: Remove req_bio_endio() Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 11:57   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-05 17:28   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-05 23:45     ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-09  6:53     ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 03/26] block: Introduce bio_straddle_zones() and bio_offset_from_zone_start() Damien Le Moal
2024-02-03  4:09   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-04 11:58   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 04/26] block: Introduce blk_zone_complete_request_bio() Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 11:59   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 05/26] block: Allow using bio_attempt_back_merge() internally Damien Le Moal
2024-02-03  4:11   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-04 12:00   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 06/26] block: Introduce zone write plugging Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04  3:56   ` Ming Lei
2024-02-04 23:57     ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-05  2:19       ` Ming Lei
2024-02-05  2:41         ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-05  3:38           ` Ming Lei
2024-02-05  5:11           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-05  5:37             ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-05  5:50               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-05  6:14                 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-05 10:06           ` Ming Lei
2024-02-05 12:20             ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-05 12:43               ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:14   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-05 17:48   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-05 23:48     ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-06  0:52       ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 07/26] block: Allow zero value of max_zone_append_sectors queue limit Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:15   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 08/26] block: Implement zone append emulation Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:24   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-05  0:10     ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-05 17:58   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-05 23:57     ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 09/26] block: Allow BIO-based drivers to use blk_revalidate_disk_zones() Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:26   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 10/26] dm: Use the block layer zone append emulation Damien Le Moal
2024-02-03 17:58   ` Mike Snitzer
2024-02-05  5:38     ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-05 20:33       ` Mike Snitzer
2024-02-05 23:40         ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-06 20:41           ` Mike Snitzer
2024-02-04 12:30   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 11/26] scsi: sd: " Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:29   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-06  1:55   ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 12/26] ublk_drv: Do not request ELEVATOR_F_ZBD_SEQ_WRITE elevator feature Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:31   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 13/26] null_blk: " Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:31   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 14/26] null_blk: Introduce zone_append_max_sectors attribute Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:32   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 15/26] null_blk: Introduce fua attribute Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:33   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 16/26] nvmet: zns: Do not reference the gendisk conv_zones_bitmap Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:34   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 17/26] block: Remove BLK_STS_ZONE_RESOURCE Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:34   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 18/26] block: Simplify blk_revalidate_disk_zones() interface Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:35   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 19/26] block: mq-deadline: Remove support for zone write locking Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:36   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 20/26] block: Remove elevator required features Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:36   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:30 ` [PATCH 21/26] block: Do not check zone type in blk_check_zone_append() Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:37   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:31 ` [PATCH 22/26] block: Move zone related debugfs attribute to blk-zoned.c Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:38   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:31 ` [PATCH 23/26] block: Remove zone write locking Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:38   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:31 ` [PATCH 24/26] block: Do not special-case plugging of zone write operations Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:39   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:31 ` [PATCH 25/26] block: Reduce zone write plugging memory usage Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:42   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-05 17:51     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-05 23:55       ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-06 21:20         ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-09  3:58           ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-09 19:36             ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-10  0:06               ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-11  3:40                 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-12  1:09                   ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-12 18:58                     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-12  8:23                   ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-12  8:47                     ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-12 18:40                       ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-13  0:05                         ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-02  7:31 ` [PATCH 26/26] block: Add zone_active_wplugs debugfs entry Damien Le Moal
2024-02-04 12:43   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-02  7:37 ` [PATCH 00/26] Zone write plugging Damien Le Moal
2024-02-03 12:11   ` Jens Axboe
2024-02-09  5:28     ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-05 17:21 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-05 23:42   ` Damien Le Moal
2024-02-06  0:57     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-05 18:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-06  0:07   ` Damien Le Moal [this message]
2024-02-06  1:25     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-02-09  4:03       ` Damien Le Moal

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