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From: "Matthew Jacob" <lydianconcepts@gmail.com>
To: ltuikov@yahoo.com
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jeff@garzik.org, mdr@sgi.com, James.Smart@emulex.com,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: generating a Linux WWN?
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:23:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7579f7fb0710032023x6773075ga0342033e8f6f3a4@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <189434.76759.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> But having a WWN generator in the kernel, although not terribly
> difficult to write, makes it possible to create an inconsistent
> storage domain.  It is that possibility which troubles me,
> due to the intention of SAS WWNs.

But one should make sure that you *do* create a consistent storage
domain. If you can seed the system with a couple dozen free WWNs for
use when/if needed, why not?

People are content to believe that UUID generation is sufficiently
unique, and for the bit space it occupies that's probably a reasonable
clain. But you can't jam that into the smaller bit space WWNs.

For smaller bit spaces like 64 bit WWNs, you cannot, as you correctly
point out, generate reliably unique numbers all by youself. The
closest you could probably come is using a type 5 WWN with a known
single OUI and then use "seconds since January 1 2007" as a serial
number in the 36 bit VID space that gives you about 8 years before it
wraps- the likely collision rate here would be pretty low.

A much better choice is to get real stamped serial number WWNs. I also
hold with some of the other folks on this discussion that some of this
is policy that the admin should be allowed to choose. After they've
segmented the company's main fabric by choosing unwisely and
forgetting to practice safe zoning we'll choose to buy them a drink or
two.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-04  3:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-27 10:04 generating a Linux WWN? Jeff Garzik
2007-09-27 13:55 ` Michael Reed
2007-09-27 14:04 ` James Smart
2007-09-27 14:16   ` Patrick_Boyd
2007-09-27 14:46     ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-09-27 15:07       ` Michael Reed
2007-09-27 15:12         ` Michael Reed
2007-09-27 23:40         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-27 22:48       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-01 10:56         ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-27 14:19   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-27 14:29     ` Michael Reed
2007-09-27 15:30       ` Douglas Gilbert
2007-09-27 22:32         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-27 23:12       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-02 23:47         ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  0:35           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03  3:45             ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  4:15               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03  5:12                 ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  5:25                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03  5:31                     ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  5:45                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03 14:59                         ` Douglas Gilbert
2007-10-03 16:16                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03 18:02                         ` Matthew Jacob
2007-10-03 18:09                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03 19:44                             ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03 20:25                               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03 22:08                                 ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03 22:17                                   ` David Miller
2007-10-04  0:11                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-04  3:23                                       ` Matthew Jacob [this message]
2007-10-04  3:27                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-04  3:33                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-05 22:09                                     ` James Bottomley
2007-10-05 22:11                                       ` David Miller
2007-10-05 22:14                                         ` James Bottomley
2007-10-05 22:17                                           ` David Miller
2007-10-05 22:41                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-05 22:49                                               ` David Miller
2007-10-05 22:52                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-06 14:11                                             ` James Bottomley
2007-10-06 14:36                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-06 15:04                                                 ` James Bottomley
2007-10-06 15:23                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-06 15:33                                                     ` James Bottomley
2007-10-06 15:42                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-08 18:42                                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-07  2:48                                                   ` David Miller
2007-10-08 15:41                                                     ` Michael Reed
2007-10-08 18:34                                                 ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-07  2:46                                               ` David Miller
2007-10-08 18:18                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  5:38                     ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-03  5:47                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-03 15:33                         ` Michael Reed
2007-10-03 16:02                           ` Jeff Garzik

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