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From: "gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Avri Altman <Avri.Altman@wdc.com>
Cc: "daejun7.park@samsung.com" <daejun7.park@samsung.com>,
	"James E . J . Bottomley" <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Martin K . Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	yongmyung lee <ymhungry.lee@samsung.com>,
	ALIM AKHTAR <alim.akhtar@samsung.com>,
	"asutoshd@codeaurora.org" <asutoshd@codeaurora.org>,
	Zang Leigang <zangleigang@hisilicon.com>,
	Avi Shchislowski <Avi.Shchislowski@wdc.com>,
	Bean Huo <beanhuo@micron.com>,
	"cang@codeaurora.org" <cang@codeaurora.org>,
	"stanley.chu@mediatek.com" <stanley.chu@mediatek.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/8] scsi: ufshpb: Add region's reads counter
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 09:44:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YBe/YjlF4GewQFi6@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR04MB65751A2F42801BAACF073F6FFCB69@DM6PR04MB6575.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 08:17:59AM +0000, Avri Altman wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 07:51:19AM +0000, Avri Altman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 07:12:53AM +0000, Avri Altman wrote:
> > > > > > > +#define WORK_PENDING 0
> > > > > > > +#define ACTIVATION_THRSHLD 4 /* 4 IOs */
> > > > > > Rather than fixing it with macro, how about using sysfs and make it
> > > > > > configurable?
> > > > > Yes.
> > > > > I will add a patch making all the logic configurable.
> > > > > As all those are hpb-related parameters, I think module parameters are
> > > > more adequate.
> > > >
> > > > No, this is not the 1990's, please never add new module parameters to
> > > > drivers.  If not for the basic problem of they do not work on a
> > > > per-device basis, but on a per-driver basis, which is what you almost
> > > > never want.
> > > OK.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > But why would you want to change this value, why can't the driver "just
> > > > work" and not need manual intervention?
> > > It is.
> > > But those are a knobs each vendor may want to tweak,
> > > So it'll be optimized with its internal device's implementation.
> > >
> > > Tweaking the parameters, as well as the entire logic, is really an endless
> > task.
> > > Some logic works better for some scenarios, while falling behind on others.
> > 
> > Shouldn't the hardware know how to handle this dynamically?  If not, how
> > is a user going to know?
> There is one "brain".
> It is either in the device - in device mode, Or in the host - in host mode control.
> The "brain" decides which region is active, thus carrying the physical address along with the logical -
> minimizing context switches in the device's RAM.
> 
> There can be up to N active regions.
> Activation and deactivation has its overhead.
> So basically it is a constraint-optimization problem.

So how do you solve it?  And how would you expect a user to solve it if
the kernel can not?

You better document the heck out of these configuration options :)

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-01  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-27 15:12 [PATCH 0/8] Add Host control mode to HPB Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:12 ` [PATCH 1/8] scsi: ufshpb: Cache HPB Control mode on init Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:19   ` Greg KH
2021-01-31  7:08     ` Avri Altman
2021-01-31  7:13       ` Greg KH
2021-01-31  7:17         ` Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:12 ` [PATCH 2/8] scsi: ufshpb: Add host control mode support to rsp_upiu Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:20   ` Greg KH
2021-01-31  7:08     ` Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:12 ` [PATCH 3/8] scsi: ufshpb: Add region's reads counter Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:21   ` Greg KH
2021-01-31  7:25     ` Avri Altman
2021-01-31  7:35       ` Greg KH
2021-02-01  3:51   ` Daejun Park
2021-02-01  7:12     ` Avri Altman
2021-02-01  7:30       ` gregkh
2021-02-01  7:51         ` Avri Altman
2021-02-01  8:01           ` gregkh
2021-02-01  8:17             ` Avri Altman
2021-02-01  8:44               ` gregkh [this message]
2021-02-01  9:04                 ` Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:12 ` [PATCH 4/8] scsi: ufshpb: Make eviction depends on region's reads Avri Altman
2021-02-01  3:59   ` Daejun Park
2021-02-01  7:14     ` Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:12 ` [PATCH 5/8] scsi: ufshpb: Region inactivation in host mode Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:12 ` [PATCH 6/8] scsi: ufshpb: Add hpb dev reset response Avri Altman
2021-02-01  5:10   ` Daejun Park
2021-02-01  7:20     ` Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:12 ` [PATCH 7/8] scsi: ufshpb: Add "Cold" regions timer Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:23   ` Greg KH
2021-01-31  7:30     ` Avri Altman
2021-01-27 15:12 ` [PATCH 8/8] scsi: ufshpb: Add support for host control mode Avri Altman

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