* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 [not found] <200410241930.47104.chrivers@iversen-net.dk> @ 2004-10-24 18:12 ` Stefan Richter 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Stefan Richter @ 2004-10-24 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-scsi; +Cc: linux1394-devel Christian Iversen wrote to linux1394-devel: > On Sunday 24 October 2004 19:22, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: >> On Sunday 24 October 2004 10:22 am, James Bottomley wrote: >>> The trace doesn't show any error handler activity at all. Are there no >>> messages in the log about offlining the device? If not, it sounds like >>> there's a problem somewhere in the firewire system. >> >> The thing is that the hang is happening only with CD/DVD devices (sr_mod) >> and not with hard drives (sd_mod) and as far as I can tell SBP2 does not >> differentiate betweeh an HD and a CD so I think there is something going >> on in sr_mod code. > > I can't see the start of the thread, but I have a very similar problem with > external CD-ROMs in usb-2.0 cases. Whenever I unplug them, they kill the > entire system (usb subsystem at first, then the whole kernel locks up). ... > This is tested on 3 different controllers, 2 different motherboards and 3 > different kernels. 2.6.7-2.6.9 all have this problem. 2.6.5-rc3 works like > a charm, and I haven't tested 2.6.6. I have 2 different SBP-2 CD-RW drives, 3 different SBP-2 harddrives, and use an USB memory stick occasionally. After the last kernel update (from 2.6.6-rc3 to 2.6.8.1) I noticed problems with device removals concerning /dev/scd? for the first time. I did not use the drives very extensively under the former kernel so I am not sure whether that worked fine. One thing is however certain: There is no hassle with sd devices. There were some more reports about the CD/DVD removal problems with recent 2.6 kernels on linux1394-user/-devel, but nothing similar about harddisks. -- Stefan Richter -=====-=-=-- =-=- ==--- http://arcgraph.de/sr/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409050434540.8779-100000@sasami.anime.net> @ 2004-10-24 14:42 ` Olaf Hering 2004-10-24 14:53 ` James Bottomley 2004-10-31 21:05 ` Herbert Schmid 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Olaf Hering @ 2004-10-24 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dan Hollis, linux-scsi; +Cc: bcollins, linux1394-devel On Sun, Sep 05, Dan Hollis wrote: > Vendor: PIONEER Model: DVD-RW DVR-104 Rev: 1.31 > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > cat /proc/scsi/scsi, it shows up > > now turn drive off > > ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023 > ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[00309995505516f8] > > and now... > cat /proc/scsi/scsi > > entire firewire system is permanently out to lunch. the cat hangs and > can't be kill -9'd, no hotplug ever works again, the only solution is a > complete reboot. This is the backtrace: knodemgrd_0 D 00000000 0 296 1 307 293 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c0177914] wait_for_completion+0x7c/0xec [c5d2fb94] scsi_wait_req+0x64/0xac [scsi_mod] [c54f7598] sr_do_ioctl+0x70/0x240 [sr_mod] [c54f6a00] sr_packet+0x5c/0x9c [sr_mod] [c5d11a34] cdrom_get_disc_info+0x60/0xc4 [cdrom] [c5d121e4] cdrom_mrw_exit+0x1c/0x104 [cdrom] [c5d10b6c] unregister_cdrom+0xd0/0x104 [cdrom] [c54f61a8] sr_kref_release+0x54/0x80 [sr_mod] [c00ad96c] kref_put+0x60/0x70 [c54f6924] sr_remove+0x50/0xd0 [sr_mod] [c00eb100] device_release_driver+0x1b8/0x1bc [c00eb2f0] bus_remove_device+0xc0/0x12c [c00e9620] device_del+0xa4/0x114 The trouble starts in register_cdrom(), it sets the ->exit() function if the CD can do CDC_MRW_W. On unregister, it tries to send a packet to the device which is already gone. How about this patch? diff -purN linux-2.6.9.orig/drivers/scsi/sr.c linux-2.6.9-olh/drivers/scsi/sr.c --- linux-2.6.9.orig/drivers/scsi/sr.c 2004-10-22 19:02:43.545400072 +0200 +++ linux-2.6.9-olh/drivers/scsi/sr.c 2004-10-24 16:32:10.765682704 +0200 @@ -916,6 +918,7 @@ static void sr_kref_release(struct kref struct gendisk *disk = cd->disk; spin_lock(&sr_index_lock); + cd->use = 0; clear_bit(disk->first_minor, sr_index_bits); spin_unlock(&sr_index_lock); diff -purN linux-2.6.9.orig/drivers/scsi/sr_ioctl.c linux-2.6.9-olh/drivers/scsi/sr_ioctl.c --- linux-2.6.9.orig/drivers/scsi/sr_ioctl.c 2004-10-22 19:02:43.547399768 +0200 +++ linux-2.6.9-olh/drivers/scsi/sr_ioctl.c 2004-10-24 16:31:05.921540512 +0200 @@ -86,6 +86,11 @@ int sr_do_ioctl(Scsi_CD *cd, struct pack struct request *req; int result, err = 0, retries = 0; + if(!cd->use) { + err = -ENODEV; + goto out; + } + SDev = cd->device; SRpnt = scsi_allocate_request(SDev, GFP_KERNEL); if (!SRpnt) { -- USB is for mice, FireWire is for men! sUse lINUX ag, nÜRNBERG - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-scsi" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2004-10-24 14:42 ` Olaf Hering @ 2004-10-24 14:53 ` James Bottomley 2004-10-24 15:00 ` Olaf Hering 2004-10-31 21:05 ` Herbert Schmid 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: James Bottomley @ 2004-10-24 14:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Olaf Hering; +Cc: Dan Hollis, SCSI Mailing List, bcollins, linux1394-devel On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 10:42, Olaf Hering wrote: > This is the backtrace: > > knodemgrd_0 D 00000000 0 296 1 307 293 (L-TLB) > Call trace: > [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 > [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 > [c0177914] wait_for_completion+0x7c/0xec > [c5d2fb94] scsi_wait_req+0x64/0xac [scsi_mod] > [c54f7598] sr_do_ioctl+0x70/0x240 [sr_mod] > [c54f6a00] sr_packet+0x5c/0x9c [sr_mod] > [c5d11a34] cdrom_get_disc_info+0x60/0xc4 [cdrom] > [c5d121e4] cdrom_mrw_exit+0x1c/0x104 [cdrom] > [c5d10b6c] unregister_cdrom+0xd0/0x104 [cdrom] > [c54f61a8] sr_kref_release+0x54/0x80 [sr_mod] > [c00ad96c] kref_put+0x60/0x70 > [c54f6924] sr_remove+0x50/0xd0 [sr_mod] > [c00eb100] device_release_driver+0x1b8/0x1bc > [c00eb2f0] bus_remove_device+0xc0/0x12c > [c00e9620] device_del+0xa4/0x114 > > > The trouble starts in register_cdrom(), it sets the ->exit() function if > the CD can do CDC_MRW_W. > On unregister, it tries to send a packet to the device which is already > gone. There's something else going on here. The CD should hold a reference to the device so is entitled to send it a command. If the device isn't there (and the firewire driver doesn't reject it immediately) it should go into error handling and eventually offline the device ... what do the kernel messages say is going on? James ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2004-10-24 14:53 ` James Bottomley @ 2004-10-24 15:00 ` Olaf Hering 2004-10-24 15:22 ` James Bottomley 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Olaf Hering @ 2004-10-24 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: James Bottomley; +Cc: Dan Hollis, SCSI Mailing List, bcollins, linux1394-devel On Sun, Oct 24, James Bottomley wrote: > There's something else going on here. The CD should hold a reference to > the device so is entitled to send it a command. If the device isn't > there (and the firewire driver doesn't reject it immediately) it should > go into error handling and eventually offline the device ... what do the > kernel messages say is going on? turn off cdrom: ohci1394: fw-host0: IntEvent: 00030010 ohci1394: fw-host0: irq_handler: Bus reset requested ohci1394: fw-host0: Cancel request received ohci1394: fw-host0: Got RQPkt interrupt status=0x00008409 ohci1394: fw-host0: SelfID interrupt received (phyid 0, root) ohci1394: fw-host0: SelfID packet 0x807f8c56 received ieee1394: Including SelfID 0x807f8c56 ohci1394: fw-host0: SelfID for this node is 0x807f8c56 ohci1394: fw-host0: SelfID complete ohci1394: fw-host0: PhyReqFilter=ffffffffffffffff ieee1394: selfid_complete called with successful SelfID stage ... irm_id: 0xFFC0 node_id: 0xFFC0 ieee1394: NodeMgr: Processing host reset for knodemgrd_0 ohci1394: fw-host0: Single packet rcv'd ohci1394: fw-host0: Got phy packet ctx=0 ... discarded ieee1394: send packet local: ffc09940 ffc0ffff f0000400 ieee1394: received packet: ffc09940 ffc0ffff f0000400 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc09960 ffc00000 00000000 040462b0 ieee1394: received packet: ffc09960 ffc00000 00000000 040462b0 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc09d40 ffc0ffff f0000404 ieee1394: received packet: ffc09d40 ffc0ffff f0000404 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc09d60 ffc00000 00000000 31333934 ieee1394: received packet: ffc09d60 ffc00000 00000000 31333934 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc0a140 ffc0ffff f0000408 ieee1394: received packet: ffc0a140 ffc0ffff f0000408 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc0a160 ffc00000 00000000 e064a232 ieee1394: received packet: ffc0a160 ffc00000 00000000 e064a232 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc0a540 ffc0ffff f000040c ieee1394: received packet: ffc0a540 ffc0ffff f000040c ieee1394: send packet local: ffc0a560 ffc00000 00000000 00601d00 ieee1394: received packet: ffc0a560 ffc00000 00000000 00601d00 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc0a940 ffc0ffff f0000410 ieee1394: received packet: ffc0a940 ffc0ffff f0000410 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc0a960 ffc00000 00000000 000000dd ieee1394: received packet: ffc0a960 ffc00000 00000000 000000dd ieee1394: send packet local: ffc0ad50 ffc0ffff f0000400 04000000 ieee1394: received packet: ffc0ad50 ffc0ffff f0000400 04000000 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc0ad70 ffc00000 00000000 04000000 ieee1394: received packet: ffc0ad70 ffc00000 00000000 04000000 ieee1394: Node changed: 0-02:1023 -> 0-00:1023 ieee1394: send packet 100: ffff1100 ffc0ffff f0000234 c000001f ohci1394: fw-host0: Inserting packet for node 0-63:1023, tlabel=4, tcode=0x0, speed=0 ohci1394: fw-host0: Starting transmit DMA ctx=0 ohci1394: fw-host0: IntEvent: 00000001 ohci1394: fw-host0: Got reqTxComplete interrupt status=0x00008011 ohci1394: fw-host0: Packet sent to node 63 tcode=0x0 tLabel=0x04 ack=0x11 spd=0 data=0x1F0000C0 ctx=0 ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[00010410100036e0] ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-01:1023] GUID[0001d200500601fb] SysRq : Show State sibling task PC pid father child younger older bash S 0FE3BC9C 0 1 0 2 (NOTLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c001cf7c] do_wait+0x1f8/0xd7c [c00064d0] ret_from_syscall+0x0/0x4c ksoftirqd/0 R running 0 2 1 3 (L-TLB) events/0 S 00000000 0 3 1 4 26 2 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c002c288] worker_thread+0x224/0x228 [c0031134] kthread+0xf0/0x12c [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 khelper S 00000000 0 4 3 13 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c002c288] worker_thread+0x224/0x228 [c0031134] kthread+0xf0/0x12c [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 kblockd/0 R running 0 13 3 24 4 (L-TLB) pdflush S 00000000 0 24 3 25 13 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c003e9d0] pdflush+0xc0/0x1fc [c0031134] kthread+0xf0/0x12c [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 pdflush S 00000000 0 25 3 27 24 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c003e9d0] pdflush+0xc0/0x1fc [c0031134] kthread+0xf0/0x12c [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 aio/0 S 00000000 0 27 3 25 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c002c288] worker_thread+0x224/0x228 [c0031134] kthread+0xf0/0x12c [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 kswapd0 S 00000000 0 26 1 257 3 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c00454b4] kswapd+0x88/0xb8 [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 rpciod S 00000000 0 257 1 289 26 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c548749c] rpciod+0x1c8/0x2dc [sunrpc] [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 sh R running 0 289 1 293 257 (NOTLB) khpsbpkt S 00000000 0 293 1 296 289 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c0176c34] __down_interruptible+0xcc/0x15c [c54cc364] hpsbpkt_thread+0xc8/0xe0 [ieee1394] [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 knodemgrd_0 D 00000000 0 296 1 321 293 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c01776e8] wait_for_completion+0x7c/0xec [c5d2fb94] scsi_wait_req+0x64/0xac [scsi_mod] [c54f5590] sr_do_ioctl+0x9c/0x26c [sr_mod] [c54f49cc] sr_packet+0x28/0x68 [sr_mod] [c5d11a34] cdrom_get_disc_info+0x60/0xc4 [cdrom] [c5d121e4] cdrom_mrw_exit+0x1c/0x104 [cdrom] [c5d10b6c] unregister_cdrom+0xd0/0x104 [cdrom] [c54f41a8] sr_kref_release+0x54/0x80 [sr_mod] [c00ad96c] kref_put+0x60/0x70 [c54f4924] sr_remove+0x50/0xd0 [sr_mod] [c00eafcc] device_release_driver+0x84/0x88 [c00eb1bc] bus_remove_device+0xc0/0x12c [c00e9620] device_del+0xa4/0x114 scsi_eh_1 S 00000000 0 321 1 296 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c0177140] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c0176c34] __down_interruptible+0xcc/0x15c [c5d2db80] scsi_error_handler+0x590/0xe68 [scsi_mod] [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 here is something with my debug stuff: ohci1394: fw-host0: IntEvent: 00030010 ohci1394: fw-host0: irq_handler: Bus reset requested ohci1394: fw-host0: Cancel request received ohci1394: fw-host0: Got RQPkt interrupt status=0x00008409 ohci1394: fw-host0: SelfID interrupt received (phyid 0, root) ohci1394: fw-host0: SelfID packet 0x807f8c56 received ieee1394: Including SelfID 0x807f8c56 ohci1394: fw-host0: SelfID for this node is 0x807f8c56 ohci1394: fw-host0: SelfID complete ohci1394: fw-host0: PhyReqFilter=ffffffffffffffff ieee1394: selfid_complete called with successful SelfID stage ... irm_id: 0xFFC0 node_id: 0xFFC0 ieee1394: NodeMgr: Processing host reset for knodemgrd_0 ohci1394: fw-host0: Single packet rcv'd ohci1394: fw-host0: Got phy packet ctx=0 ... discarded ieee1394: send packet local: ffc05d40 ffc0ffff f0000400 ieee1394: received packet: ffc05d40 ffc0ffff f0000400 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc05d60 ffc00000 00000000 040462b0 ieee1394: received packet: ffc05d60 ffc00000 00000000 040462b0 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc06140 ffc0ffff f0000404 ieee1394: received packet: ffc06140 ffc0ffff f0000404 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc06160 ffc00000 00000000 31333934 ieee1394: received packet: ffc06160 ffc00000 00000000 31333934 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc06540 ffc0ffff f0000408 ieee1394: received packet: ffc06540 ffc0ffff f0000408 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc06560 ffc00000 00000000 e064a232 ieee1394: received packet: ffc06560 ffc00000 00000000 e064a232 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc06940 ffc0ffff f000040c ieee1394: received packet: ffc06940 ffc0ffff f000040c ieee1394: send packet local: ffc06960 ffc00000 00000000 00601d00 ieee1394: received packet: ffc06960 ffc00000 00000000 00601d00 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc06d40 ffc0ffff f0000410 ieee1394: received packet: ffc06d40 ffc0ffff f0000410 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc06d60 ffc00000 00000000 000000dd ieee1394: received packet: ffc06d60 ffc00000 00000000 000000dd ieee1394: send packet local: ffc07150 ffc0ffff f0000400 04000000 ieee1394: received packet: ffc07150 ffc0ffff f0000400 04000000 ieee1394: send packet local: ffc07170 ffc00000 00000000 04000000 ieee1394: received packet: ffc07170 ffc00000 00000000 04000000 ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023 ieee1394: send packet 100: ffff0d00 ffc0ffff f0000234 c000001f ohci1394: fw-host0: Inserting packet for node 0-63:1023, tlabel=3, tcode=0x0, speed=0 ohci1394: fw-host0: Starting transmit DMA ctx=0 ohci1394: fw-host0: IntEvent: 00000001 ohci1394: fw-host0: Got reqTxComplete interrupt status=0x00008011 ohci1394: fw-host0: Packet sent to node 63 tcode=0x0 tLabel=0x03 ack=0x11 spd=0 data=0x1F0000C0 ctx=0 nodemgr_node_probe(1354) knodemgrd_0(296) enter nodemgr_probe_ne(1322) knodemgrd_0(296) enter nodemgr_probe_ne(1344) knodemgrd_0(296) leave nodemgr_probe_ne(1322) knodemgrd_0(296) enter ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[0001d200500601fb] nodemgr_suspend_ne(1253) knodemgrd_0(296) ud->ne c0fbd400(<NULL>) ne c0fbd400(<NULL>) nodemgr_suspend_ne(1257) knodemgrd_0(296) suspend 00000000 device_release_driver(370) knodemgrd_0(296) enter device_release_driver(372) knodemgrd_0(296) drv sbp2 hpsb_protocol_driver c54ed5f8 device_release_driver(373) knodemgrd_0(296) sysfs_remove_link device_release_driver(375) knodemgrd_0(296) list_del_init device_release_driver(377) knodemgrd_0(296) device_detach_shutdown device_detach_shutdown(25) knodemgrd_0(296) enter device_release_driver(379) knodemgrd_0(296) remove ieee1394: sbp2: sbp2_remove sbp2_remove(634) knodemgrd_0(296) enter sbp2_remove(639) knodemgrd_0(296) scsi_id c0207760 ieee1394: sbp2: sbp2_logout_device ieee1394: sbp2: sbp2_remove_device device_release_driver(370) knodemgrd_0(296) enter device_release_driver(372) knodemgrd_0(296) drv sr c54f68d4 device_release_driver(373) knodemgrd_0(296) sysfs_remove_link device_release_driver(375) knodemgrd_0(296) list_del_init device_release_driver(377) knodemgrd_0(296) device_detach_shutdown device_detach_shutdown(25) knodemgrd_0(296) enter device_release_driver(379) knodemgrd_0(296) remove sr_packet(896) knodemgrd_0(296) SysRq : Show State sibling task PC pid father child younger older bash S 0FE3BC9C 0 1 0 2 (NOTLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c001cf7c] do_wait+0x1f8/0xd7c [c00064d0] ret_from_syscall+0x0/0x4c ksoftirqd/0 R running 0 2 1 3 (L-TLB) events/0 S 00000000 0 3 1 4 26 2 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c002c288] worker_thread+0x224/0x228 [c0031134] kthread+0xf0/0x12c [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 khelper S 00000000 0 4 3 13 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c002c288] worker_thread+0x224/0x228 [c0031134] kthread+0xf0/0x12c [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 kblockd/0 R running 0 13 3 24 4 (L-TLB) pdflush S 00000000 0 24 3 25 13 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c003e9d0] pdflush+0xc0/0x1fc [c0031134] kthread+0xf0/0x12c [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 pdflush S 00000000 0 25 3 27 24 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c003e9d0] pdflush+0xc0/0x1fc [c0031134] kthread+0xf0/0x12c [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 aio/0 S 00000000 0 27 3 25 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c002c288] worker_thread+0x224/0x228 [c0031134] kthread+0xf0/0x12c [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 kswapd0 S 00000000 0 26 1 257 3 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c00454b4] kswapd+0x88/0xb8 [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 rpciod S 00000000 0 257 1 289 26 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c548749c] rpciod+0x1c8/0x2dc [sunrpc] [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 sh R running 0 289 1 293 257 (NOTLB) khpsbpkt S 00000000 0 293 1 296 289 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c0176e60] __down_interruptible+0xcc/0x15c [c54cc364] hpsbpkt_thread+0xc8/0xe0 [ieee1394] [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 knodemgrd_0 D 00000000 0 296 1 307 293 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c0177914] wait_for_completion+0x7c/0xec [c5d2fb94] scsi_wait_req+0x64/0xac [scsi_mod] [c54f7598] sr_do_ioctl+0x70/0x240 [sr_mod] [c54f6a00] sr_packet+0x5c/0x9c [sr_mod] [c5d11a34] cdrom_get_disc_info+0x60/0xc4 [cdrom] [c5d121e4] cdrom_mrw_exit+0x1c/0x104 [cdrom] [c5d10b6c] unregister_cdrom+0xd0/0x104 [cdrom] [c54f61a8] sr_kref_release+0x54/0x80 [sr_mod] [c00ad96c] kref_put+0x60/0x70 [c54f6924] sr_remove+0x50/0xd0 [sr_mod] [c00eb100] device_release_driver+0x1b8/0x1bc [c00eb2f0] bus_remove_device+0xc0/0x12c [c00e9620] device_del+0xa4/0x114 scsi_eh_0 S 00000000 0 307 1 296 (L-TLB) Call trace: [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 [c0176e60] __down_interruptible+0xcc/0x15c [c5d2db80] scsi_error_handler+0x590/0xe68 [scsi_mod] [c0009834] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60 -- USB is for mice, FireWire is for men! sUse lINUX ag, nÜRNBERG - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-scsi" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2004-10-24 15:00 ` Olaf Hering @ 2004-10-24 15:22 ` James Bottomley 2004-10-24 17:22 ` Dmitry Torokhov ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: James Bottomley @ 2004-10-24 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Olaf Hering; +Cc: Dan Hollis, SCSI Mailing List, bcollins, linux1394-devel The trace doesn't show any error handler activity at all. Are there no messages in the log about offlining the device? If not, it sounds like there's a problem somewhere in the firewire system. James ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2004-10-24 15:22 ` James Bottomley @ 2004-10-24 17:22 ` Dmitry Torokhov 2004-10-24 18:02 ` Olaf Hering 2004-10-24 19:29 ` Olaf Hering 2 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Torokhov @ 2004-10-24 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux1394-devel Cc: James Bottomley, Olaf Hering, Dan Hollis, SCSI Mailing List, bcollins On Sunday 24 October 2004 10:22 am, James Bottomley wrote: > The trace doesn't show any error handler activity at all. Are there no > messages in the log about offlining the device? If not, it sounds like > there's a problem somewhere in the firewire system. > The thing is that the hang is happening only with CD/DVD devices (sr_mod) and not with hard drives (sd_mod) and as far as I can tell SBP2 does not differentiate betweeh an HD and a CD so I think there is something going on in sr_mod code. -- Dmitry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2004-10-24 15:22 ` James Bottomley 2004-10-24 17:22 ` Dmitry Torokhov @ 2004-10-24 18:02 ` Olaf Hering 2004-10-24 19:29 ` Olaf Hering 2 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Olaf Hering @ 2004-10-24 18:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: James Bottomley; +Cc: Dan Hollis, SCSI Mailing List, bcollins, linux1394-devel On Sun, Oct 24, James Bottomley wrote: > The trace doesn't show any error handler activity at all. Are there no > messages in the log about offlining the device? If not, it sounds like > there's a problem somewhere in the firewire system. sbp2_start_device doesnt save sdev, maybe thats a starting point to set the device offline. -- USB is for mice, FireWire is for men! sUse lINUX ag, nÜRNBERG - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-scsi" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2004-10-24 15:22 ` James Bottomley 2004-10-24 17:22 ` Dmitry Torokhov 2004-10-24 18:02 ` Olaf Hering @ 2004-10-24 19:29 ` Olaf Hering 2005-07-31 14:43 ` Dan Hollis 2 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Olaf Hering @ 2004-10-24 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: James Bottomley; +Cc: Dan Hollis, SCSI Mailing List, bcollins, linux1394-devel On Sun, Oct 24, James Bottomley wrote: > The trace doesn't show any error handler activity at all. Are there no > messages in the log about offlining the device? If not, it sounds like > there's a problem somewhere in the firewire system. How should sbp2_remove_device get rid of the device? It calls scsi_remove_host, which calls scsi_remove_device, which sets the mode to SDEV_CANCEL, then calls to device_del. sr_do_ioctl expects SDEV_OFFLINE. -- USB is for mice, FireWire is for men! sUse lINUX ag, nÜRNBERG - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-scsi" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2004-10-24 19:29 ` Olaf Hering @ 2005-07-31 14:43 ` Dan Hollis 2005-07-31 17:31 ` Stefan Richter 2005-07-31 19:16 ` Olaf Hering 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Dan Hollis @ 2005-07-31 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Olaf Hering; +Cc: James Bottomley, SCSI Mailing List, bcollins, linux1394-devel On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Olaf Hering wrote: > On Sun, Oct 24, James Bottomley wrote: > > The trace doesn't show any error handler activity at all. Are there no > > messages in the log about offlining the device? If not, it sounds like > > there's a problem somewhere in the firewire system. > How should sbp2_remove_device get rid of the device? It calls > scsi_remove_host, which calls scsi_remove_device, which sets the mode to > SDEV_CANCEL, then calls to device_del. sr_do_ioctl expects SDEV_OFFLINE. Has there been any progress on this issue? I just got my _entire scsi subsystem_ sent out to lunch because a firewire device lost power. -Dan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2005-07-31 14:43 ` Dan Hollis @ 2005-07-31 17:31 ` Stefan Richter 2005-07-31 17:54 ` Stefan Richter 2005-07-31 19:16 ` Olaf Hering 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Stefan Richter @ 2005-07-31 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: SCSI Mailing List, linux1394-devel Cc: Dan Hollis, Olaf Hering, James Bottomley, bcollins Dan Hollis wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Olaf Hering wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 24, James Bottomley wrote: >>>The trace doesn't show any error handler activity at all. Are there no >>>messages in the log about offlining the device? If not, it sounds like >>>there's a problem somewhere in the firewire system. >> >>How should sbp2_remove_device get rid of the device? It calls >>scsi_remove_host, which calls scsi_remove_device, which sets the mode to >>SDEV_CANCEL, then calls to device_del. sr_do_ioctl expects SDEV_OFFLINE. This has been subtly changed in the latest sbp2 source from linux1394.org. scsi_remove_device is now called before sbp2_logout_device and sbp2_remove_device. The latter is still the caller of scsi_remove_host. However, this little tweak only helps when sbp2 is unloaded or detached from a device while the device is still physically present and working. It does not improve the situation when a device was physically removed while the drivers were still attached. > Has there been any progress on this issue? I just got my _entire scsi > subsystem_ sent out to lunch because a firewire device lost power. The situation has got even worse. Since RBC conversions were moved from sbp2 to sd_mod in linux-2.6.13-rc2, the same or a similar problem is now exhibited by sd_mod too with most of the FireWire harddisks. The culprit in sd_mod is obviously sd_shutdown/ sd_sync_cache, which blocks at scsi_wait_req if the device is physically gone, thus effectively freezing ieee1394's nodemgr thread. I have not yet looked closer into what might be the equivalent in sr_mod. However, there is a positive side of this: 1. With harddisks triggering the same or a similar problem now, the pressure got really high to finally fix this extremely annoying bug. I am trying to understand the nature of the problem right now, but I am new in linux-scsi land. 2. At least unplugging should be less of a problem if you always remember to detach or unload sbp2 first. (Or alternatively sr_mod/ sd_mod?) Of course this does not help if power on the SBP-2 device failed or somebody tripped over the wire. And detaching the driver manually is of course quite awkward. -- Stefan Richter -=====-=-=-= -=== ===== http://arcgraph.de/sr/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2005-07-31 17:31 ` Stefan Richter @ 2005-07-31 17:54 ` Stefan Richter 2005-07-31 17:59 ` Christoph Hellwig 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Stefan Richter @ 2005-07-31 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-scsi, linux1394-devel PS: Documentation/scsi/scsi_mid_low_api.txt suggests: > An LLD that detects the removal of a SCSI device can instigate > its removal from upper layers with this sequence: > > SCSI DEVICE hot unplug > LLD mid level LLD > ===----------------------=========-----------------===------ > scsi_remove_device() -------+ > | > slave_destroy() > ------------------------------------------------------------ Well, the LLD can _try_ it, but it may go horribly wrong. -- Stefan Richter -=====-=-=-= -=== ===== http://arcgraph.de/sr/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2005-07-31 17:54 ` Stefan Richter @ 2005-07-31 17:59 ` Christoph Hellwig 2005-07-31 18:08 ` Stefan Richter 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Christoph Hellwig @ 2005-07-31 17:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Richter; +Cc: linux-scsi, linux1394-devel On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 07:54:59PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote: > Well, the LLD can _try_ it, but it may go horribly wrong. It seems to work nicely for everyone but sbp2.. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2005-07-31 17:59 ` Christoph Hellwig @ 2005-07-31 18:08 ` Stefan Richter 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Stefan Richter @ 2005-07-31 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-scsi, linux1394-devel Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 07:54:59PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote: >>Well, the LLD can _try_ it, but it may go horribly wrong. > > It seems to work nicely for everyone but sbp2.. Sure. There is be probably something in sbp2 or nodemgr that leads to a deadlock, although the end of the road as we can see it is located in the scsi highlevel. -- Stefan Richter -=====-=-=-= -=== ===== http://arcgraph.de/sr/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2005-07-31 14:43 ` Dan Hollis 2005-07-31 17:31 ` Stefan Richter @ 2005-07-31 19:16 ` Olaf Hering 2005-07-31 23:14 ` Stefan Richter 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Olaf Hering @ 2005-07-31 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dan Hollis; +Cc: James Bottomley, SCSI Mailing List, bcollins, linux1394-devel On Sun, Jul 31, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Olaf Hering wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 24, James Bottomley wrote: > > > The trace doesn't show any error handler activity at all. Are there no > > > messages in the log about offlining the device? If not, it sounds like > > > there's a problem somewhere in the firewire system. > > How should sbp2_remove_device get rid of the device? It calls > > scsi_remove_host, which calls scsi_remove_device, which sets the mode to > > SDEV_CANCEL, then calls to device_del. sr_do_ioctl expects SDEV_OFFLINE. > > Has there been any progress on this issue? I just got my _entire scsi > subsystem_ sent out to lunch because a firewire device lost power. I cant help you with that, sr_mod is likely still broken with MRW capable drives. But sbp2 is still the culprit, incomplete error handling. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2005-07-31 19:16 ` Olaf Hering @ 2005-07-31 23:14 ` Stefan Richter 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Stefan Richter @ 2005-07-31 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-scsi, linux1394-devel; +Cc: goemon, James.Bottomley, bcollins, olh On 31 Jul, Olaf Hering wrote: > On Sun, Jul 31, Dan Hollis wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Olaf Hering wrote: >> > On Sun, Oct 24, James Bottomley wrote: >> > > The trace doesn't show any error handler activity at all. Are there no >> > > messages in the log about offlining the device? If not, it sounds like >> > > there's a problem somewhere in the firewire system. >> > How should sbp2_remove_device get rid of the device? It calls >> > scsi_remove_host, which calls scsi_remove_device, which sets the mode to >> > SDEV_CANCEL, then calls to device_del. sr_do_ioctl expects SDEV_OFFLINE. >> >> Has there been any progress on this issue? I just got my _entire scsi >> subsystem_ sent out to lunch because a firewire device lost power. _Now_ there has been progress. :-) The patch I just posted should fix it. I tested it with a CD-R/W as well as with a harddisk that was affected. The patch applies to the latest sbp2 revision at linux1394.org which is not yet merged into mainline. > I cant help you with that, sr_mod is likely still broken with MRW > capable drives. But sbp2 is still the culprit, incomplete error > handling. Sbp2 was one of the very few LDDs that uses scsi_block_requests(). It is called whenever the FireWire bus is reset, e.g. when a node was attached, detached, or switched off. The patch simply unblocks sbp2's host before device removal is attempted in the upper scsi layers. It also takes care of how commands are enqueued after a FireWire node was detached. (I think we could get rid of scsi_block_requests() altogether if we get the .queuecommand and .eh_*_handler right.) So sbp2 was indeed the culprit, although the fault was not in its error handling. -- Stefan Richter -=====-=-=-= =--- ----= http://arcgraph.de/sr/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: 100% repeatable way to send firewire out to lunch permanently on 2.6.8.1 2004-10-24 14:42 ` Olaf Hering 2004-10-24 14:53 ` James Bottomley @ 2004-10-31 21:05 ` Herbert Schmid 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Herbert Schmid @ 2004-10-31 21:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Olaf Hering; +Cc: Dan Hollis, linux-scsi, bcollins, linux1394-devel Hi, I've tested the scsi bugs with 2.6.9, 2.6.9 with ieee1392 svn-trunk 1233 from today and 2.6.10-rc1 with and without the patch from Olaf. Results: Removing a unused, unmounted hard disk from 1394 was no problem at all. Removing a unused, unmounted cdrom drive from 1394 FAILS, if scsi-cdrom is compiled in and Olaf's patch is not used. FAIL meens, that cat /proc/scsi/scsi can't even be killed -9. Using only scsi generic adding and removing was detected correctly. Using the patch, you can even remove the cdrom drive while a disk is mounted. (ls does give nothing, there haven't been even . and ..). You can unmount the disk later. With linux 2.6.10-rc1 scsi is unstable after and may lock later, especially if you use usb additionally. Removing any firewire device (disk or cd) during use, always kills scsi. From my (user) point of view, this seems to be a different problem, which doesn't make the patch of Olaf useless. USB Removing a usb cdrom device without the patch will kill the whole kernel. Using the patch, the behavior is like with 1394, i.e. cat /proc/scsi/scsi works. dd if=/dev/scdX (only tested with the patch) On 2.6.9 with the trunk from today: dd gets unkillable, but /proc/scsi/scsi still works. (2.6.10 /proc/scsi/scsi or whole kernel fails.) USB stops this with an I/O error. Overview: test 2.6.9 2.6.9fw1233 2.6.10rc1 add/remove without patch hd + + + cd no scsicd + + + with scsicd - - - add/remove with patch with scsicd + + + remove mounted + + unstable remove while access hd - - - with patch and scsi-cd cd - only dd locked - usb add/remove without patch cd (untested) (untested) - add/remove with patch (untested) + unstable remove while access (untested) i/o error (untested) Summary (only my opinion as user): Comparing 2.6.10rc1 to 2.6.9, scsi lost stability. The patch is good at least for 2.6.9. Hot unplugging during use seems not to be managed well by scsi or 1394. Yours, Herbert P.S.: 2.4.27 simply never removes the scsi drive object from memory and passes all test. When removing a mounted device, it keeps wrong data in the cache. Which is ok for cd-roms. On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Olaf Hering wrote: > On Sun, Sep 05, Dan Hollis wrote: > > > Vendor: PIONEER Model: DVD-RW DVR-104 Rev: 1.31 > > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > > cat /proc/scsi/scsi, it shows up > > > > now turn drive off > > > > ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023 > > ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[00309995505516f8] > > > > and now... > > cat /proc/scsi/scsi > > > > entire firewire system is permanently out to lunch. the cat hangs and > > can't be kill -9'd, no hotplug ever works again, the only solution is a > > complete reboot. > > This is the backtrace: > > knodemgrd_0 D 00000000 0 296 1 307 293 (L-TLB) > Call trace: > [c000a228] __switch_to+0x48/0x70 > [c017736c] schedule+0x2b8/0x5e0 > [c0177914] wait_for_completion+0x7c/0xec > [c5d2fb94] scsi_wait_req+0x64/0xac [scsi_mod] > [c54f7598] sr_do_ioctl+0x70/0x240 [sr_mod] > [c54f6a00] sr_packet+0x5c/0x9c [sr_mod] > [c5d11a34] cdrom_get_disc_info+0x60/0xc4 [cdrom] > [c5d121e4] cdrom_mrw_exit+0x1c/0x104 [cdrom] > [c5d10b6c] unregister_cdrom+0xd0/0x104 [cdrom] > [c54f61a8] sr_kref_release+0x54/0x80 [sr_mod] > [c00ad96c] kref_put+0x60/0x70 > [c54f6924] sr_remove+0x50/0xd0 [sr_mod] > [c00eb100] device_release_driver+0x1b8/0x1bc > [c00eb2f0] bus_remove_device+0xc0/0x12c > [c00e9620] device_del+0xa4/0x114 > > > The trouble starts in register_cdrom(), it sets the ->exit() function if > the CD can do CDC_MRW_W. > On unregister, it tries to send a packet to the device which is already > gone. > > How about this patch? > > > diff -purN linux-2.6.9.orig/drivers/scsi/sr.c linux-2.6.9-olh/drivers/scsi/sr.c > --- linux-2.6.9.orig/drivers/scsi/sr.c 2004-10-22 19:02:43.545400072 +0200 > +++ linux-2.6.9-olh/drivers/scsi/sr.c 2004-10-24 16:32:10.765682704 +0200 > @@ -916,6 +918,7 @@ static void sr_kref_release(struct kref > struct gendisk *disk = cd->disk; > > spin_lock(&sr_index_lock); > + cd->use = 0; > clear_bit(disk->first_minor, sr_index_bits); > spin_unlock(&sr_index_lock); > > diff -purN linux-2.6.9.orig/drivers/scsi/sr_ioctl.c linux-2.6.9-olh/drivers/scsi/sr_ioctl.c > --- linux-2.6.9.orig/drivers/scsi/sr_ioctl.c 2004-10-22 19:02:43.547399768 +0200 > +++ linux-2.6.9-olh/drivers/scsi/sr_ioctl.c 2004-10-24 16:31:05.921540512 +0200 > @@ -86,6 +86,11 @@ int sr_do_ioctl(Scsi_CD *cd, struct pack > struct request *req; > int result, err = 0, retries = 0; > > + if(!cd->use) { > + err = -ENODEV; > + goto out; > + } > + > SDev = cd->device; > SRpnt = scsi_allocate_request(SDev, GFP_KERNEL); > if (!SRpnt) { > -- > USB is for mice, FireWire is for men! > > sUse lINUX ag, nÜRNBERG > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > Use IT products in your business? 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