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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.58
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:10:18 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b073ja$12i$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20030116195306.GA32697@kroah.com

In article <20030116195306.GA32697@kroah.com>, Greg KH  <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
>On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 11:43:23AM -0800, Matthew Dharm wrote:
>> Well, we only create the host when the device is first attached.  After
>> that, if it goes away and comes back, we re-connect it to the old SCSI
>> host.
>
>Ick, so when the device is gone, where does the SCSI host go?  Is it
>still represented in sysfs and in the SCSI core properly?

This is pure and utter USB storage stupidity, and nothing else.

When the USB storage device is unplugged, the device should be
unregistered.  It should be _gone_.  It isn't sleeping, it's dead.  It's
an ex-device. 

The fact that USB storage still keeps track of devices that do not exist
is WRONG. It has resulted in problems in real life multiple times with
devices that get re-attached and have a new serial number (quite common
as far as I can tell in cheap flash readers), where the _stupid_ rule of
trying to keep track of what has been attached results in the device
moving from /dev/sda to sdb to sdc as it is unplugged and re-plugged.

>> Something like this would proabably make sense if the hot-unplugging code
>> for SCSI hosts was really stable -- then we could unregister the host when
>> the device went away, and this relation would be disconnected
>> automatically.
>
>Well, push back on the SCSI people to fix this then, hot-unplug should
>work properly on the SCSI layer too :)

IT IS NOT A SCSI LAYER PROBLEM! It's purely a USB problem.

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-01-16 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <10426732153816@kroah.com>
     [not found] ` <10426732212871@kroah.com>
     [not found]   ` <20030116093112.B29001@one-eyed-alien.net>
     [not found]     ` <20030116173539.GA31235@kroah.com>
2003-01-16 19:43       ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: [PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.58 Matthew Dharm
2003-01-16 19:53         ` Greg KH
     [not found]         ` <20030116195306.GA32697@kroah.com>
2003-01-16 20:10           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2003-01-16 20:43             ` greg kh
2003-01-16 21:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-01-16 22:51             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-16 20:40           ` David Brownell
2003-01-16 20:48             ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-16 23:43               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17  8:50                 ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-17 10:55                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17 15:06                     ` Alan Stern
2003-01-17 18:54                     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-17 20:25                       ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-17 22:07                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17 20:26                       ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17 20:49                         ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-20 17:36                       ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-20 18:23                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 18:56                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-20 19:10                             ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 19:50                             ` David Brownell
2003-01-21  3:31                           ` Alan
2003-01-21  7:17                             ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 11:57                               ` [linux-usb-devel] " Douglas Gilbert
2003-01-21 13:48                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 18:22                                   ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-21 13:30                             ` James Bottomley
2003-01-20 20:08                         ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 20:48                           ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 21:24                             ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 21:51                               ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 22:26                                 ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 23:00                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21  0:44                                     ` David Brownell
2003-01-21  0:50                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 18:16                                         ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-21 19:00                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 20:02                                             ` [linux-usb-devel] " Luben Tuikov
2003-01-21 21:02                                               ` Alan Stern
2003-01-22 21:50                                                 ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-22 22:46                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 17:46                                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-23 18:19                                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 19:07                                                         ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-23 19:40                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 20:28                                                             ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-23 20:59                                                               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 21:34                                                                 ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-23 22:39                                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 23:23                                                                     ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-23 23:25                                                                     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-24 15:34                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-01-24 16:06                                                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-24 17:58                                                                         ` [linux-usb-devel] " Doug Ledford
2003-01-24 19:00                                                                         ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 22:23                                                                           ` Oliver.Neukum
2003-01-24 19:10                                                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 19:56                                                                         ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2003-01-24 20:11                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 21:09                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 21:55                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2003-01-24 22:03                                                                               ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 23:21                                                                               ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-24 21:48                                                                       ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-24 22:59                                                                         ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-24 23:17                                                                           ` [linux-usb-devel] " Doug Ledford
2003-01-25  0:24                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-25  1:35                                                                             ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-24 23:25                                                                         ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-25  0:05                                                                           ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-25  0:45                                                                             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-25  1:07                                                                               ` Doug Ledford
2003-02-02 18:13                                                                                 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-02 20:06                                                                                   ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-03 17:17                                                                                     ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-16 21:18                                                                                       ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-17 19:37                                                                                         ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-17 19:51                                                                                           ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-02-23  7:48                                                                                           ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-26 23:37                                                                                             ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-27  1:10                                                                                               ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-27  6:37                                                                                                 ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-27 19:32                                                                                                   ` Matthew Dharm
2003-03-01  1:41                                                                                                     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-02  3:49                                                                             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-25  1:24                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24  0:15                                                               ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-01-24  8:33                                                               ` David Brownell
2003-01-23 20:41                                                         ` A different look at block device hotswap in the Linux kernel Steven Dake
2003-01-23 21:07                                                           ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-23 21:06                                                             ` Steven Dake
2003-01-23 21:16                                                               ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-24  0:07                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-24  0:21                                                             ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-24  7:53                                                               ` David Brownell
2003-01-24 15:26                                                                 ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-24  0:54                                                             ` Steven Dake
2003-01-24  2:35                                                               ` [linux-usb-devel] " Matthew Dharm
2003-01-22 21:30                                           ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: [PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.58 David Brownell
2003-01-20 22:16                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-20 22:51                             ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 23:27                               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-22 12:07 Bennie J. Venter

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