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From: Gionatan Danti <g.danti@assyoma.it>
To: sonofagun@openmailbox.org
Cc: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: No I/O errors reported after SATA link hard reset
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 20:42:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ce5bad3e349648cf2d3444e42b2f641c@assyoma.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170826205848.BC21C4E0007@mta-1.openmailbox.og>

Il 26-08-2017 22:58 sonofagun@openmailbox.org ha scritto:
> Hello guys, this is a very interesting thread but I will join it 
> tomorrow!
> 
> I have read a similar discussion for SSDs some time ago. That took
> place here [1]. Corruption of such devices can lead to complete data
> loss and not just corruption.

I just read the thread at https://marc.info/?t=149186660400002&r=1&w=2, 
it was very interesting. However, it seems to me that  it ended without 
a clear solution, right?

Anyway, the opacity of the FTL (flash translation layer) surely is a 
significant cause of concern/danger. Unexpected power losses can wreak 
havock on SSDs.

> Please install smartmontools and post its output here for each disk so
> that I can see if your disks are healthy. Also I must see their
> firmware version as there might be a firmware update available.

Fortunately, the issue is solved now: I tracked back it to a faulty SATA 
power cable. However, the SMART reports of both disk is very 
interesting:


GOOD DISK (sda):
[root@nas ~]# smartctl -A /dev/sda
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [x86_64-linux-3.10.0-514.el7.x86_64] 
(local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, 
www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   111   099   006    Pre-fail  Always 
       -       30483624
   3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   093   091   000    Pre-fail  Always 
       -       0
   4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always 
       -       46
   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always 
       -       0
   7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   077   060   030    Pre-fail  Always 
       -       55353954
   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   091   091   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       8535
  10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always 
       -       0
  12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always 
       -       44
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   067   060   045    Old_age   Always 
       -       33 (Min/Max 30/40)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       24
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       67
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   033   040   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       33 (0 14 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   
Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0

Note the low (expected) Start_Stop_Count (46)


BAD DISK (sdb):
[root@nas ~]# smartctl -A /dev/sdb
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [x86_64-linux-3.10.0-514.el7.x86_64] 
(local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, 
www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   106   099   006    Pre-fail  Always 
       -       11030016
   3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   095   091   000    Pre-fail  Always 
       -       0
   4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always 
       -       661
   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always 
       -       0
   7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   078   060   030    Pre-fail  Always 
       -       60912204
   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   091   091   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       8536
  10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always 
       -       0
  12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always 
       -       44
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   067   061   045    Old_age   Always 
       -       33 (Min/Max 29/39)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       639
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       672
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   033   040   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       33 (0 14 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   
Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0

Note the *much* higher Start_Stop_Count (661); however, the 
Power_Cycle_Count was the same (44).

So yes, while HDDs surely are more resilient than SSDs to unexpected 
power losses, a micro-powerloss which corrupt/invalidate the disk's 
cache content without giving the host a change to notice *will* cause 
data corruption, sometime on acked syncronized writes also (I had a 
filesystem journal corruption).

However, as stated in this thread, SATA does not really has a provision 
to detect failed command due to micro-powerlosses nor to detect and 
invalid/corrupted disk cache. So it seems the better "line of defese" is 
to monitor (via SMART) the start/stop or power cycles count.

Regards.

-- 
Danti Gionatan
Supporto Tecnico
Assyoma S.r.l. - www.assyoma.it
email: g.danti@assyoma.it - info@assyoma.it
GPG public key ID: FF5F32A8

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-27 18:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-26 20:58 No I/O errors reported after SATA link hard reset sonofagun
2017-08-27 18:42 ` Gionatan Danti [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-08-16 22:27 Gionatan Danti
2017-08-17  9:24 ` Bernd Schubert
2017-08-17 12:48   ` Tejun Heo
2017-08-17 13:18     ` Bernd Schubert
2017-08-17 13:25       ` Tejun Heo
2017-08-17 13:43         ` Bernd Schubert
2017-08-17 14:23       ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-17 14:15     ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-17 14:46       ` Tejun Heo
2017-08-17 15:01         ` Gionatan Danti

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