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From: Li Lingfeng <lilingfeng3@huawei.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	<ranjan.kumar@broadcom.com>
Cc: <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>, <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
	<martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<rajsekhar.chundru@broadcom.com>, <sathya.prakash@broadcom.com>,
	<sumit.saxena@broadcom.com>, <chandrakanth.patil@broadcom.com>,
	<prayas.patel@broadcom.com>, yangerkun <yangerkun@huawei.com>,
	"zhangyi (F)" <yi.zhang@huawei.com>, Hou Tao <houtao1@huawei.com>,
	"chengzhihao1@huawei.com" <chengzhihao1@huawei.com>,
	<jiangjianjun3@h-partners.com>, <yuancan@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION?] scsi: sas: wildcard user scan may iterate over huge max_id
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2026 10:33:25 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f2f32b0d-e831-4372-a365-0b850eadfd3d@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <04995d30c4d11af2e60a1497938031172a5fb332.camel@HansenPartnership.com>


在 2026/3/30 20:18, James Bottomley 写道:
> On Sat, 2026-03-28 at 10:28 +0800, Li Lingfeng wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think commit 37c4e72b0651 ("scsi: Fix sas_user_scan() to handle
>> wildcard and multi-channel scans") may introduce a regression for
>> wildcard scans on some SAS hosts.
>>
>> Userspace trigger:
>>
>>     echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan
>>
>> results in:
>>
>>     channel = SCAN_WILD_CARD
>>     id      = SCAN_WILD_CARD
>>     lun     = SCAN_WILD_CARD
>>
>> Before this commit, sas_user_scan() iterated sas_host->rphy_list and
>> called scsi_scan_target() for matching rphys. In effect, scanning was
>> limited to channel 0 and to target ids present in sas_host-
>>> rphy_list.
>> After this commit, sas_user_scan() does:
>>
>>     - scan channel 0 via scan_channel_zero()
>>     - scan channels 1..shost->max_channel via
>> scsi_scan_host_selected()
>>
>> When id == SCAN_WILD_CARD, the latter path goes through
>> scsi_scan_channel(), which iterates ids from 0 to shost->max_id.
>>
>> This looks problematic for drivers that use a very large max_id. For
>> example, smartpqi sets:
>>
>>     shost->max_id = ~0;
>>
>> In that case, a wildcard scan may end up iterating from id 0 to ~0 in
>> scsi_scan_channel(). In my testing/analysis, this makes the scan take
>> a very long time, and the id-space walk itself does not seem
>> meaningful for this SAS transport scan path.
>>
>> So while the commit fixes incomplete wildcard channel handling, it
>> also appears to expand the id scan range from:
>>
>>     sas_host->rphy_list target ids
>>
>> to:
>>
>>     0..shost->max_id
>>
>> for the additional channels.
>>
>> It seems to me that wildcard SAS scans should probably remain bounded
>> by transport-discovered SAS targets, instead of falling back to a
>> host-wide id enumeration for the extra channels. One possible
>> direction may be to avoid calling scsi_scan_host_selected() with id
>> == SCAN_WILD_CARD from sas_user_scan(), or otherwise constrain the id
>> range in a transport-aware way.
>>
>> Am I understanding this correctly? If so, what would be the preferred
>> way to address this? I would appreciate feedback on whether this is
>> considered a real regression, and on the best fix direction.
> In the case of smartpqi, it isn't designed to be user scanned, I think.
> So, as you say, it would take a long time to scan one channel.  Since
> it sets max_channels to 3, it would only take 4 times longer which
> hardly constitutes a regression.
>
> Doing serial scans is very scsi-2 so most discoverable device fabrics
> don't bother and get the default settings for the scan max_channels
> (which is zero).  The only devices that seem to care about this at all
> are fat firmware devices that bundle RAID or other capabilities by re-
> purposing channels and they seem to be the ones that want this
> behaviour:
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-scsi/CAFdVvOwjy+2ORJ6uJkspiLTPF05481U7gcS4QohFOFGPqAs8ig@mail.gmail.com/
>
> Regards,
>
> James
Hi James,

Thank you very much for the reply and for the additional background.

I would like to clarify one point about the performance regression I was
trying to describe.

I was not referring to the change from scanning one channel to scanning
multiple channels. My concern was about the change in the target ID scan
range within a single channel.

Before commit 37c4e72b0651 ("scsi: Fix sas_user_scan() to handle wildcard
and multi-channel scans"), the SAS path was effectively bounded by
rphy->scsi_target_id values discovered by the transport. After that change,
for the additional channels, the scan may go through scsi_scan_channel()
and iterate IDs in the range 0..shost->max_id when id == SCAN_WILD_CARD.

So the performance concern I had in mind was not really:

   "one channel" -> "multiple channels"

but rather:

   "scan transport-discovered IDs" -> "scan 0..max_id within a channel"

That said, after reading your reply, my current understanding is that the
motivation for 37c4e72b0651 is mainly to support controllers such as
mpt3sas and mpi3mr, where non-zero channels are meaningful and expected.

 From that perspective, it seems to me that for scenarios that do not
involve mpt3sas/mpi3mr-like usage, one option would be to simply not take
37c4e72b0651, while if we do take it, we should accept that it may bring
this kind of scan-time performance regression on some hosts.

Does that sound like a reasonable way to look at it?

Thanks again for the clarification.

Regards,
Lingfeng.

      reply	other threads:[~2026-03-31  2:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-28  2:28 [REGRESSION?] scsi: sas: wildcard user scan may iterate over huge max_id Li Lingfeng
2026-03-30  8:08 ` Li Lingfeng
2026-03-30 12:18 ` James Bottomley
2026-03-31  2:33   ` Li Lingfeng [this message]

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