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From: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] SCSI fixes for 6.10-rc4
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 21:48:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yq15xu1oo3e.fsf@ca-mkp.ca.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whEQRH6eS=_JwanytAKERuWO1JQdzRb4YiLK4omzL2J-Q@mail.gmail.com> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Fri, 21 Jun 2024 15:03:35 -0700")


Linus,

> Can we place just make the rule be that new mode pages are opt-in, and
> *NOT* this kind of broken "opt-out several months later when we
> noticed that it inevitably caused problems"?

The specific problem with mode pages is that there is no way to know
whether a given page is supported without asking for it. Whereas for
most of the other things we query at discovery time, the device provides
a list of supported pages we can consult before we attempt to query the
page itself.

> Because if it isn't some mode page that we have already used for
> years, it clearly isn't *that* important.
[...]
> That should give people a big heads up that "maybe this thing isn't
> very common or commonly known about"?

It is a new feature in SCSI spearheaded by the Android folks. That's why
there isn't a lot of information available about it elsewhere.

I am super picky about having good heuristics for when we should attempt
to query a device for new protocol capabilities. In this case we lacked
a reliable indicator that the feature was supported. And since there are
non-UFS devices being implemented which support it too, restricting the
mode page query to Android/UFS devices only did not seem appropriate.

Bart: How about wrapping access to that mode page in GROUP_SUP
and RSCS? It would be nice if we could key off a VPD or two before
attempting the MODE SENSE...

-- 
Martin K. Petersen	Oracle Linux Engineering

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-22  1:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-21 21:15 [GIT PULL] SCSI fixes for 6.10-rc4 James Bottomley
2024-06-21 22:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-06-22  1:48   ` Martin K. Petersen [this message]
2024-06-22  1:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-06-22 16:24       ` Bart Van Assche
2024-06-22 16:35       ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-06-21 22:04 ` pr-tracker-bot

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