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From: zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com (Mimi Zohar)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: An actual suggestion (Re: [GIT PULL] Kernel lockdown for secure boot)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 10:01:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1522936869.16421.63.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180405021650.GC7362@linux-l9pv.suse>

On Thu, 2018-04-05 at 10:16 +0800, joeyli wrote:
> Hi David, 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 05:17:24PM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> > Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Since this thread has devolved horribly, I'm going to propose a solution.
> > > 
> > > 1. Split the "lockdown" state into three levels:  (please don't
> > > bikeshed about the names right now.)
> > > 
> > > LOCKDOWN_NONE: normal behavior
> > > 
> > > LOCKDOWN_PROTECT_INTEGREITY: kernel tries to keep root from writing to
> > > kernel memory
> > > 
> > > LOCKDOWN_PROTECT_INTEGRITY_AND_SECRECY: kernel tries to keep root from
> > > reading or writing kernel memory.
> > 
> > In theory, it's good idea, but in practice it's not as easy to implement as I
> > think you think.
> > 
> > Let me list here the things that currently get restricted by lockdown:
> > 
> [...snip]
> >  (5) Kexec.
> >
> 
> About IMA with kernel module signing and kexec(not on x86_64 yet)...

Only carrying the measurement list across kexec is architecture
specific, but everything else should work. ?

> Because IMA can be used to verify the integrity of kernel module or even
> the image for kexec. I think that the
> IMA_KEYRINGS_PERMIT_SIGNED_BY_BUILTIN_OR_SECONDARY must be enabled at runtime
> when kernel is locked-down.

I think we need to understand the problem a bit better. ?Is the
problem that you're using the secondary keyring and loading the UEFI
keys onto the secondary keyring?

> Because the root can enroll master key to keyring then IMA trusts the ima key
> derived from master key. It causes that the arbitrary signed module can be loaded
> when the root compromised.

With only the builtin keyring, only keys signed by a builtin key can
be added to the IMA keyring.

Mimi

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-05 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-04 14:49 An actual suggestion (Re: [GIT PULL] Kernel lockdown for secure boot) Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-04 16:17 ` David Howells
2018-04-04 16:23   ` Jann Horn
2018-04-04 16:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-04 22:19   ` David Howells
2018-04-05  1:48     ` joeyli
2018-04-04 23:25   ` James Morris
2018-04-05  0:22     ` Matthew Garrett
2018-04-05  2:16   ` joeyli
2018-04-05 14:01     ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2018-04-05 16:11       ` jlee at suse.com
2018-04-05  1:45 ` joeyli

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