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From: serge@hallyn.com (Serge E. Hallyn)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v6 0/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 10:52:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170530155235.GA11861@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANA3KFXVzSXuA4Cocm7fUYE9EOvJX7pW0bsj=cgyUYvScUsXGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Quoting Peter Dolding (oiaohm at gmail.com):
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Serge E. Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 12:48:17PM +1000, Peter Dolding wrote:
> >> Using cap_sys_admin as fix is like removing car windsheld because
> >> vision is being blocked by a rock hitting it.
> >
> > Nonsense.  If the application has cap_sys_admin then it is less contained and
> > more trusted anyway.  If I went to the trouble to run an application in a
> > private user namespace (where it can have cap_sys_admin, but not targeted
> > at my tty) then it should be more contained.  That's the point of targeted
> > capabilities.
> 
> The thing that is missed every time is how much is cap_sys_admin.
> 
> So you are saying a user namespace has to be set up to contain the defect.
> 
> Really no application should have cap_sys_admin.
> 
> The theory of capabilities is that security should be broken down into
> logical blocks.
> 
> So tty stuff should under a tty capabilities.

(last reply on this)

Currently capabilities.7 says

              * employ  the  TIOCSTI ioctl(2) to insert characters into the input queue of a
                terminal other than the caller's controlling terminal;

for CAP_SYS_ADMIN.

So you can create a new CAP_SYS_TIOCSSTI if you like, and offer a patch where
*both* CAP_SYS_ADMIN and CAP_SYS_ADMIN suffice.  Again, see CAP_SYSLOG for a
prior example.

What you may not do is change it so that on an older kernel you must have
CAP_SYS_ADMIN to use TIOCSTI, while on a newer one it does not suffice.

-serge
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-30 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-05 23:20 [PATCH v6 0/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN Matt Brown
2017-05-05 23:20 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] security: tty: Add owner user namespace to tty_struct Matt Brown
2017-05-05 23:20 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN Matt Brown
2017-05-18 13:31   ` Greg KH
2017-05-19  4:51     ` Matt Brown
2017-05-10 20:29 ` [PATCH v6 0/2] " Alan Cox
2017-05-10 21:02   ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2017-05-13 19:52   ` Matt Brown
2017-05-15 20:57     ` Alan Cox
2017-05-15 23:10       ` Peter Dolding
2017-05-16  4:15         ` Matt Brown
2017-05-16  9:01           ` Peter Dolding
2017-05-16 12:22             ` Matt Brown
2017-05-16 14:28               ` Kees Cook
2017-05-16 15:48                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Serge E. Hallyn
2017-05-16 22:05                   ` Peter Dolding
2017-05-16 21:43                 ` Peter Dolding
2017-05-16 21:54                   ` Matt Brown
2017-05-17 16:41                 ` Alan Cox
2017-05-17 18:25                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2017-05-18  3:18                     ` Kees Cook
2017-05-19  2:48                       ` Peter Dolding
2017-05-19 14:33                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-05-29 10:42                           ` Peter Dolding
2017-05-30 15:52                             ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2017-05-30 21:52                               ` Alan Cox
2017-05-31 11:27                                 ` Peter Dolding
2017-05-31 14:36                                   ` Alan Cox
2017-05-31 15:32                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn

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